| Is "following the science" 06:39 - Apr 18 with 7723 views | bluelagos |
an adequate defence to the charges / lost lives that will have occured due to our government's dithering?
We even had football authorities taking the tough decisions before our own politicians.
Or is it really acceptable that they wasted precious time when all around them the evidence was there for a need to act to reduce social contacts?
https://www.newstatesman.com/2020/04/eleven-days-may-have-tragically-cost-uk-fig [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 6:51]
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| Is on 23:30 - Apr 18 with 866 views | StokieBlue |
| Is on 23:28 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
You simply don’t get it, do you?
If I’m wrong on my opinion of you then a self-awareness course would certainly be of benefit. |
Yes it would.
I recommend you book yourself in as soon as the lockdown is lifted.
SB [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 23:31]
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| Is on 23:31 - Apr 18 with 859 views | monytowbray |
| Is on 23:27 - Apr 18 by StokieBlue |
I love how, without even having any of the facts or reading the thread you jump on to agree on something against me.
Something which was deemed not to be abusive by admin and multiple posters. Something you have literally no idea about.
I guess it fits with your general style of not worrying about accuracy or evidence as long as you get to make your point.
Stop posting about me - it's becoming weird and I am getting worried about your obsessive nature.
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And you ignored the point about the PPE/ventilator thread accusation again. Are you really this transparent or think you’re fooling me?
Carry on as you are then. Literally couldn’t care less. [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 23:31]
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| Is on 23:42 - Apr 18 with 837 views | Ryorry |
| Is on 23:25 - Apr 18 by StokieBlue |
I've not forgotten and it wasn't abusive. You reported it and I still have the message from admin saying they didn't feel it was abusive and it was only removed to stop the issue escalating.
Multiple other posters in the thread said it wasn't abusive.
I am glad we are fine now and have moved on. I have absolutely nothing against you.
Callis literally called me out today for no reason, I was attempting to ignore him. He seems to have some weird obsession.
SB [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 23:27]
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You made defamatory statements about me which were downright lies.
As I said, other people may not see it as abuse unless they're the ones that are the target, & in fact don't usually get it precisely because it is subtle (tho I did get one supportive PM from another poster).
I'm going to leave it there, happy to have moved on, just making the general point.
Edit: just to say all sorted out between Stokie & myself via amicable PMs, lots of good wishes, & past history is now a closed book :) [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 0:54]
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| Is on 00:18 - Apr 19 with 809 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Is on 21:27 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
I’ve given you a fairly reasonable offer to own your sh1t or ignore me.
If you continue to not own it and commit to the biggest SWERVE I’ve ever seen from a TWTD poster, I’m going to keep calling you up on it when you decide it’s time to have a pop at me and accuse me of ignoring stuff when it doesn’t fit into my world view as you usually do.
I had enough of you over a year ago. But keep pretending to be the innocent person and ignoring my request. I know you have a few people fooled but this one is in writing for all to see. |
Just a thought old boy....
Put Stokie on ignore if he winds you up this much.
*Personally, i find Stokie a very informative chap. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Is on 00:26 - Apr 19 with 797 views | monytowbray |
| Is on 00:18 - Apr 19 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Just a thought old boy....
Put Stokie on ignore if he winds you up this much.
*Personally, i find Stokie a very informative chap. |
He’d have a field day on my threads with that. | |
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| Is on 02:11 - Apr 19 with 781 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Is on 18:33 - Apr 18 by footers |
You take things far too personally and are seeing things that simply aren't there. Sorry, but Stokie is one of the most fair-minded sorts on here and you're coming across as a bit of a bell. Even for someone who has more or less the same political views as you, you don't half make it unattractive. |
My thoughts on him exactly. It's not about who on here is right or wrong and going after Stokie is delusional behaviour |  | | |
| Is on 02:17 - Apr 19 with 780 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Is on 19:04 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
I know exactly how I’d react as this is the kind of drivel you post my way all the time and have done for years.
Why did I call you out in this thread? Probably because I’m bored of you and dislike you to be brutally honest. For the above reason mostly.
Do you a deal, if you can at least address my ventilator point you can ask me all the swerve-based questions you like. Until then, my advice is ignore me because it’s dull watching your switcheroo act when I can see through it. |
Why did you accuse Stokie of calling you all the names under the sun and then later on say it wasn't him? Bizarre | | | |
| Is on 02:23 - Apr 19 with 774 views | monytowbray |
| Is on 02:17 - Apr 19 by reusersfreekicks |
Why did you accuse Stokie of calling you all the names under the sun and then later on say it wasn't him? Bizarre |
I didn’t accuse him of that. I was referring to a number of other posters in threads he was involved in and stated that. Confusion in wording.
I can live with my opinion on him. It doesn’t bother me.
He was caught outright lying about something I said in a thread. He won’t acknowledge that point because it would involve him acknowledging his own actions. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 2:25]
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| Is on 02:28 - Apr 19 with 770 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Is on 02:23 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
I didn’t accuse him of that. I was referring to a number of other posters in threads he was involved in and stated that. Confusion in wording.
I can live with my opinion on him. It doesn’t bother me.
He was caught outright lying about something I said in a thread. He won’t acknowledge that point because it would involve him acknowledging his own actions. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 2:25]
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You clearly did on page 5. Think its pretty unhealthy your pursuit of him tbh, and tedious for everyone else. | | | |
| Is on 02:32 - Apr 19 with 767 views | monytowbray |
| Is on 02:28 - Apr 19 by reusersfreekicks |
You clearly did on page 5. Think its pretty unhealthy your pursuit of him tbh, and tedious for everyone else. |
Poor wording. But you can take or leave that explanation. One thing people who know me will say is I’m brutally honest and I admit mistakes or misunderstandings when they happen.
If you want to prove to me SB is an alright person, and I’m wrong about him you could ask him to address accusing me of changing the subject in a thread about PPE when I wasn’t even online for hours. For someone not so keen on his character being assassinated I’m surprised he’s not willing to clean up the matter at all. Which is telling to me as I’d be keen to justify my stance or at least admit fault.
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| Is on 08:39 - Apr 19 with 724 views | NewcyBlue |
| Is on 02:32 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
Poor wording. But you can take or leave that explanation. One thing people who know me will say is I’m brutally honest and I admit mistakes or misunderstandings when they happen.
If you want to prove to me SB is an alright person, and I’m wrong about him you could ask him to address accusing me of changing the subject in a thread about PPE when I wasn’t even online for hours. For someone not so keen on his character being assassinated I’m surprised he’s not willing to clean up the matter at all. Which is telling to me as I’d be keen to justify my stance or at least admit fault.
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You need to stop with this gaslighting stuff.
You’re doing yourself no good, and it’s insulting to people that have been on the end of gaslighting.
At the start of this lockdown you said it might be the online display of your mental breakdown, instead you’ve been on a crusade to be proven right.
Please stop. When you actually have good valid points, these get lost in your posts due to accusations of voting Tory or use of “PERLITIKAL PERNT SCERINg” or however you type it.
There are adults here who would rather debate the point.
I was concerned for you at the start of this lockdown, as I would be for pretty much anybody. Except racists, they do not deserve my concern or the care of the NHS.
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| Is "following the science" on 10:02 - Apr 19 with 684 views | bluejacko |
I still don’t really know who’s advice the Govt should have followed.
I mean it’s obvious on here there are a lot more qualified People than the most senior officers in the country.
So please do tell who's advice should have been followed? |  | | |
| Is "following the science" on 10:13 - Apr 19 with 668 views | eireblue |
| Is "following the science" on 10:02 - Apr 19 by bluejacko |
I still don’t really know who’s advice the Govt should have followed.
I mean it’s obvious on here there are a lot more qualified People than the most senior officers in the country.
So please do tell who's advice should have been followed? |
Less weight should have been given to the behaviour scientists, and more weight given to epidemiologists that wanted to raise the risk level to the UK.
Also from the other thread, from the Sunday Times article.
“Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears. Failings in February may have cost thousands of lives“
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| Is on 10:18 - Apr 19 with 660 views | longtimefan |
| Is on 00:26 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
He’d have a field day on my threads with that. |
Callis, I think this is part of the problem. You’re far too worried about perceived outcomes on a football forum. It’s really not very important. | | | |
| Is "following the science" on 10:29 - Apr 19 with 641 views | sparks |
| Is "following the science" on 10:13 - Apr 19 by eireblue |
Less weight should have been given to the behaviour scientists, and more weight given to epidemiologists that wanted to raise the risk level to the UK.
Also from the other thread, from the Sunday Times article.
“Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears. Failings in February may have cost thousands of lives“
Does that help? |
Its a pretty disingenuous quote.
They deliberately juxtapose Johnson's alleged absence (which may have been entirely reasonable and had no effect) with entirely independent speculation about the cost of alleged failings. |  |
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| Is on 10:38 - Apr 19 with 630 views | lowhouseblue |
a natural response to stress and anxiety is to seek someone to blame; look for black and white certainties rather than complex intangibles; and seek reconfirmation of pre-existing beliefs and biases. there is also an attempt to reassert our own autonomy when we really feel powerless by believing that we control the truth and our take is definitely better informed than any others, even including experts.
i'm not accusing you of any of this, but jeez there seems to be an awful lot of this displacement type stuff going on on the board at the moment. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 10:41]
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| Is on 10:38 - Apr 19 with 630 views | bluejacko |
| Is "following the science" on 10:13 - Apr 19 by eireblue |
Less weight should have been given to the behaviour scientists, and more weight given to epidemiologists that wanted to raise the risk level to the UK.
Also from the other thread, from the Sunday Times article.
“Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears. Failings in February may have cost thousands of lives“
Does that help? |
Not really as that is moving from one set of experts to another.
I am sure that the views of others have been taken into account.
It really is a no win situation even for those with the facts and figures at their disposal and the fact they are being second guessed by people on sites like this is really quite stupid because whichever experts are used their will always be someone who knows ‘better’ [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 10:54]
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| Is "following the science" on 11:08 - Apr 19 with 610 views | eireblue |
| Is on 10:38 - Apr 19 by bluejacko |
Not really as that is moving from one set of experts to another.
I am sure that the views of others have been taken into account.
It really is a no win situation even for those with the facts and figures at their disposal and the fact they are being second guessed by people on sites like this is really quite stupid because whichever experts are used their will always be someone who knows ‘better’ [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 10:54]
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No it isn’t moving from one set of experts to the next.
The government relied on a range of experts from different areas of expertise.
It is the government that decided on what course to take, not scientists.
It is that decision making that is being discussed.
Commercial organisations with a duty of care took earlier action than a government.
It is not second guessing to discuss why the government chose to do this.
Also the SAGE advice given to government was that they should be very clear why they were taking certain actions including where those actions differed from other countries. | | | |
| Is "following the science" on 11:15 - Apr 19 with 603 views | sparks |
| Is "following the science" on 11:08 - Apr 19 by eireblue |
No it isn’t moving from one set of experts to the next.
The government relied on a range of experts from different areas of expertise.
It is the government that decided on what course to take, not scientists.
It is that decision making that is being discussed.
Commercial organisations with a duty of care took earlier action than a government.
It is not second guessing to discuss why the government chose to do this.
Also the SAGE advice given to government was that they should be very clear why they were taking certain actions including where those actions differed from other countries. |
Have you had access to the advice that the government received or to the decision making process?
If so it would be great if you'd share it.... | |
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| Is "following the science" on 11:22 - Apr 19 with 597 views | eireblue |
| Is "following the science" on 11:15 - Apr 19 by sparks |
Have you had access to the advice that the government received or to the decision making process?
If so it would be great if you'd share it.... |
The SAGE advice has been published.
It is easy enough to find. Links have been published on this site. | | | |
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