| Derby County - in simple terms 11:35 - Jun 13 with 4438 views | itfc_bucks |
Are we genuinely looking that they're likely to be ejected from the league?
Am I right in thinking that a Mike Ashley shaped swoop is pretty much the only game left in town for the club? |  | | |  |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:03 - Jun 13 with 1223 views | BonneNIL |
What pains me about this is the owners can walk away from the burning building and a wrecked club/legacy while the fans, who have turned up for years and been utterly loyal get punished by seeing their clubs decimated with sanctions, point reductions, and so on because of these vultures. The EFL allows these people to buy these clubs, not the supporters, what body is monitoring them? The EFL, FA, and Premier League are approving, and why aren't they factored into the punishment? Shouldn't the Government step in a fine them for allowing bad owners to destroy historic football clubs as well? Maybe they wouldn't be si sure to approve some of these scumbags, and maybe issues like human rights should be enforced, so that owners cant be homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and brutal to their people abroad and own our clubs? |  |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:04 - Jun 13 with 1214 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 13:42 - Jun 13 by Radlett_blue |
Morris seems to be playing dog in the manger with the ground, rather like Ken Booth did with Millmoor. Rotherham used a different stadium for a few years before their new stadium was ready. Something similar could happen here. |
I am not sure if you've been to Derby's ground, but from my memory it is tucked into a business park that is sandwiched by housing estates, sort of like Sproughton Road's industrial park. It wouldn't surprise me if Mel Morris has designs on turning that land into housing as it is a prime area for it. He knew the number was up when he sold himself the stadium and it will probably end up being a win win for him - people either pay him what he wants, or he earns a fair chunk of change for development. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 15:09]
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:26 - Jun 13 with 1179 views | J2BLUE |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 13:14 - Jun 13 by wkj |
Getting stick is part and parcel of supporting a club. I really don't think it would matter once parity is restored. |
Not sure why this is so difficult. If they were going to end up in EXACTLY the same place surely you would just want to your club so survive rather than die and then be born again with all that entails? |  |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:35 - Jun 13 with 1148 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:26 - Jun 13 by J2BLUE |
Not sure why this is so difficult. If they were going to end up in EXACTLY the same place surely you would just want to your club so survive rather than die and then be born again with all that entails? |
I'm not really making that point on this thread. It was not that deep of a comment on my end simply stating that L2 could well be their destination within a couple of years regardless of if they are DCFC or DCFC 2.0
On the other post I have made about DCFC and why I think they should wind up was more focussed on the fact that this protracted state of limbo is doing no one any good. As such, Quantuma needs to start pulling its fingers out because it is damaging the integrity of the Club and the league. If Derby is barred from competing for a segment of a season, and then manages to get clearance to play - it could lead to a bunch of clubs getting free hits which damages the fairness of the game - and it impacts more than just Derby.
So, as before, I am not saying I want Derby to fold at all costs, but Quantuma need to sh*t or get off the pot as this has gone on for way too long already. | |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:43 - Jun 13 with 1130 views | STYG |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:35 - Jun 13 by wkj |
I'm not really making that point on this thread. It was not that deep of a comment on my end simply stating that L2 could well be their destination within a couple of years regardless of if they are DCFC or DCFC 2.0
On the other post I have made about DCFC and why I think they should wind up was more focussed on the fact that this protracted state of limbo is doing no one any good. As such, Quantuma needs to start pulling its fingers out because it is damaging the integrity of the Club and the league. If Derby is barred from competing for a segment of a season, and then manages to get clearance to play - it could lead to a bunch of clubs getting free hits which damages the fairness of the game - and it impacts more than just Derby.
So, as before, I am not saying I want Derby to fold at all costs, but Quantuma need to sh*t or get off the pot as this has gone on for way too long already. |
Derby won't just get to start in the National League North. That doesn't happen.
So they may be in League Two soon if they stay as Derby County. But if they start again then they will be doing what Bury have done, Wimbledon did and starting off around the ninth tier and relying on four or five promotions to get to League Two.
It would be a good 6-7 years you'd imagine as always a season or two when it doesn't go to plan, even if they are huge for those levels because many have one promotion place and the lottery of playoffs. | | | |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:51 - Jun 13 with 1102 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:43 - Jun 13 by STYG |
Derby won't just get to start in the National League North. That doesn't happen.
So they may be in League Two soon if they stay as Derby County. But if they start again then they will be doing what Bury have done, Wimbledon did and starting off around the ninth tier and relying on four or five promotions to get to League Two.
It would be a good 6-7 years you'd imagine as always a season or two when it doesn't go to plan, even if they are huge for those levels because many have one promotion place and the lottery of playoffs. |
Well I will admit that I wasn't fully aware of that element of the process, I had assumed they would be placed higher. That said, It still doesn't ease my concerns about how Quantuma has handled this administration. | |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:57 - Jun 13 with 1077 views | Radlett_blue |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:03 - Jun 13 by BonneNIL |
What pains me about this is the owners can walk away from the burning building and a wrecked club/legacy while the fans, who have turned up for years and been utterly loyal get punished by seeing their clubs decimated with sanctions, point reductions, and so on because of these vultures. The EFL allows these people to buy these clubs, not the supporters, what body is monitoring them? The EFL, FA, and Premier League are approving, and why aren't they factored into the punishment? Shouldn't the Government step in a fine them for allowing bad owners to destroy historic football clubs as well? Maybe they wouldn't be si sure to approve some of these scumbags, and maybe issues like human rights should be enforced, so that owners cant be homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and brutal to their people abroad and own our clubs? |
When Mel Morris bought a stake in Derby in 2014, most of their fans were ecstatic. He's sold his software company for £450m & was a long term fan of the club. No-one would reasonably have stopped him buying the club. He spend hugely, which didn't work out as he kept sacking managers. The problem is allowing club owners to spend unsustainably, but aren't Town's new owners arguably doing that as well? |  |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 16:01 - Jun 13 with 1055 views | tractordownsouth |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 12:23 - Jun 13 by Churchman |
They will be fine. As a very important club (in the top 20 to 25, I’d have thought), Derby will be protected come what may. If there’s any tax impact I know from people who do such work that any arrangement will be accepted.
I don’t think Ashley is that bad an option. I know he was hated by Newcastle supporters, but they were in the PL at the time of the takeover, have good facilities and are now one of the richest clubs in the world. Interestingly, they seemed to have more of a problem with Ashley than they do the head choppers that now own them. Oh well. |
Ashley is an awful person but he would suit Derby well. He underinvested in Newcastle for a while but when they came back down in 2016 he panicked and spent silly money to get them back up, so presumably he'd be willing to spend a bit to sort Derby out and make a return on his investment. |  |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 16:07 - Jun 13 with 1022 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:57 - Jun 13 by Radlett_blue |
When Mel Morris bought a stake in Derby in 2014, most of their fans were ecstatic. He's sold his software company for £450m & was a long term fan of the club. No-one would reasonably have stopped him buying the club. He spend hugely, which didn't work out as he kept sacking managers. The problem is allowing club owners to spend unsustainably, but aren't Town's new owners arguably doing that as well? |
Even now there is a small but significant section of the fan base who do not want to put all the blame on Morris. | |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:30 - Jun 13 with 906 views | Kievthegreat |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 15:04 - Jun 13 by wkj |
I am not sure if you've been to Derby's ground, but from my memory it is tucked into a business park that is sandwiched by housing estates, sort of like Sproughton Road's industrial park. It wouldn't surprise me if Mel Morris has designs on turning that land into housing as it is a prime area for it. He knew the number was up when he sold himself the stadium and it will probably end up being a win win for him - people either pay him what he wants, or he earns a fair chunk of change for development. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 15:09]
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Biggest problem will be Derby City Council will tell him to do one. They'd be well within their rights to reject any proposed change of use and make any new planning permission effectively impossible. Plus if Derby go to the wall, you can bet that everyone voting in council elections will destroy any party that tried to deal with the devil.
Also, I can't think of a worse place to live than the middle of a business park. The residential development on top of the stadium footprint would be smaller than the car dealership next store and it's such a soulless place, I think it would be crap. |  | | |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:41 - Jun 13 with 892 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:30 - Jun 13 by Kievthegreat |
Biggest problem will be Derby City Council will tell him to do one. They'd be well within their rights to reject any proposed change of use and make any new planning permission effectively impossible. Plus if Derby go to the wall, you can bet that everyone voting in council elections will destroy any party that tried to deal with the devil.
Also, I can't think of a worse place to live than the middle of a business park. The residential development on top of the stadium footprint would be smaller than the car dealership next store and it's such a soulless place, I think it would be crap. |
Im not an expert on Derby's zone planning, I just know we parked in a residential area for matches up there and the walk was nothing (legitimately arranged)
You can see that Derby is zoning residential use very much wrapped in the commercial/industrial parks though | |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:49 - Jun 13 with 871 views | Plums |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:41 - Jun 13 by wkj |
Im not an expert on Derby's zone planning, I just know we parked in a residential area for matches up there and the walk was nothing (legitimately arranged)
You can see that Derby is zoning residential use very much wrapped in the commercial/industrial parks though |
I don’t live far away. There is no way they’d sanction housing on the relatively small plot that the stadium sits on. If anything, it would be further office buildings/ car lots. However, the stadium is undoubtedly worth in cash terms, far more than that would generate. Morris just needs to find someone willing to lease it off him in the next 10 days… |  |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:53 - Jun 13 with 860 views | wkj |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:49 - Jun 13 by Plums |
I don’t live far away. There is no way they’d sanction housing on the relatively small plot that the stadium sits on. If anything, it would be further office buildings/ car lots. However, the stadium is undoubtedly worth in cash terms, far more than that would generate. Morris just needs to find someone willing to lease it off him in the next 10 days… |
It would definitely have to be a highrise development if it was residential. It is a shame really as I do think Derby has it right in terms of creating an entertainment hub in and around the stadium. It is very well situated and accessible too. I think Mel Morris is going to have the last say on this - I just don't see him complying. | |
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 19:20 - Jun 13 with 801 views | ParisBlue |
Looks like the Kirchner deal is finally dead.
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| Derby County - in simple terms on 19:26 - Jun 13 with 789 views | Kievthegreat |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 18:41 - Jun 13 by wkj |
Im not an expert on Derby's zone planning, I just know we parked in a residential area for matches up there and the walk was nothing (legitimately arranged)
You can see that Derby is zoning residential use very much wrapped in the commercial/industrial parks though |
I've worked in Pride Park on/off for the last 10 years (convenient for using my work carpark when Town were visiting). The place is effectively an island, separated by Derwent to the north and railyards to the south. There are only 3 roads out of the entire area, 1 leads to the highlighted area, one leads north to yet more commercial development and the one west leads to the Town (although you can't walk along it). The only other routes are the river paths, but while they are nice enough, you still won't reach any other residential development for a mile.
That's not the worst bit though, it's the fact it would be a few blocks of flats in a sea of sterility with no redeeming feature. You can do the maths and work out that it's only 15 mins walk to a supermarket, 10 minutes to the station, etc... But it just wouldn't be a nice place as the plot is too small to standalone, and too far away from other humans not to feel isolated. | | | |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 21:50 - Jun 13 with 673 views | Muncher |
Personally I don’t see there is any realistic possibility of Derby not completing next season. Ultimately a deal will be done, it’s in everyone’s interests to get it done, but I don’t think it will get done any time soon, they may well even postpone their first 5 fixtures. | | | |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 21:53 - Jun 13 with 666 views | WeWereZombies |
| Derby County - in simple terms on 21:50 - Jun 13 by Muncher |
Personally I don’t see there is any realistic possibility of Derby not completing next season. Ultimately a deal will be done, it’s in everyone’s interests to get it done, but I don’t think it will get done any time soon, they may well even postpone their first 5 fixtures. |
So have there been any searches done on Pride Park at the Land Registry? |  |
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