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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? 10:55 - Apr 19 with 1938 views

I've said a few times that I think Bakinson will be some player and that I'd like to keep him. We missed him big time against Cambridge, but I still think he's got way too many parts of his game to improve to be 'oven-ready' for next season on reflection.

Celina is absolute class on his day. That can't be denied. It has to be remembered he had COVID, no pre-season and is playing with strikers that don't score. I'd expected more but for me he has to be signed.

Aluko might just be my favourite player and Chaplin will stay. So the question is do we keep and rotate the three for two places each week - which I think will happen or do people feel we can upgrade here - in which case do we not extend Aluko or not pursue Celina permanently? Personally, I think these three are good enough with two new strikers and when if the team was scoring and teams were having to chase a goal then the three of them would run riot. The low numbers are, in part, due to teams sitting in and us not having goals to change that.

Obviously, we need a left-sided defender to go with two strikers and I think Evans is decent, but to me we need to forget Bakinson now (unless he's going to compete with Evans as a backup) and have to build the team around Morsy and one other outstanding League One player or Championship player that will either add a lot of goals and help us tick over, will add a lot of steel or both.

Tyreeq looks good against teams that give us time but as soon as he is under pressure or it's a real physical battle he seems hit and miss. We need someone in there like Holland in terms of consistency, an 8/10 every week type. That central area is crucial to everything McKenna wants the team to do from how we build attacks to how we protect the defence.

As Oxford look like missing out, Brannigan would be the one for me, can score, tackle, pass, put himself about and takes set pieces. We have the financial muscle to make them an offer they can't say no to.

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:00 - Apr 19 with 1609 views

wrightsrightglove

I could see us going 4 at the back next season to provide a bit more up front. Left side needs addressing as well as strikers. 5 quality additions and reserve keeper needed for me.

1st:
––––––––-Walton
Donacien - Wolf - Edmundson - New LB
––––––Morsy - Evans
–––-Burns - Celina - New LW
–––––––New Striker

2nd:
–––––-New keeper
KVY - Burgess - Ndaba - Penney
–––Bakinson - Humphries
–New RW - Chaplin - Edwards
–––––––Jackson

Plus one more striker, Aluko and possibly a new CM.
Baggott, El Miz, Harper loaned out (plus humphries if new CM brought in)
Pigott, Hladky sold

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:02 - Apr 19 with 1589 views

Nthsuffolkblue

No player (or team) should be judged solely on a few end-of-season matches.

However, it is overall clear that we need more steel in midfield, leadership all over the pitch, ability to score goals and better set pieces (including defending against long throws). I also think we need to improve our back-up keeper option. There is a work in progress but then that will be true for every other club in all the leagues including Man City and Liverpool. No team will be standing still over the summer.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:06 - Apr 19 with 1578 views

pointofblue

I think Oxford will repeat Rotherham’s trick with Crooks in regards to Brannagan - make it clear they don’t want to sell to a divisional rival and ring round Championship clubs looking for a bidder.

The thing is we don’t know what McKenna’s preferred formation is. He’s gone with a wing back system because it suits who we have in the squad but will he be looking at something else next season? Manchester United predominantly played 4-2-3-1 whilst he was there, so he’ll have experience with coaching that system. That will have an impact on who we bring in. I’m also intrigued as to what McKenna makes of Edwards and if he feels he can turn him into a left wing back (too lightweight?) or productive left winger.

If we stick to our current formation another a reserve goalkeeper, a couple of central midfielders, a further right wing back to cover Buns, two left wing backs and at least two strikers are needed. Hladky, Harper, Carroll, Vincent-Young, Penney, Thompson, Bonne and Norwood to make way, possibly Pigott too if we can find a further striker.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:07 - Apr 19 with 1563 views

STYG

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:00 - Apr 19 by wrightsrightglove

I think we will stick with three at the back given how relentless our defence has been and focus on simply winning games with strikers that can tap home open goals from 6 yards out.

For me it's two strikers (one absolutely proven and costly), a left wing back (who can play left back), another proven, costly player in central midfielder, maybe another backup CM who is physical and then an old keeper happy to back up Walton to allow Hladky to go. Either the midfielder or LWB needs to have some deadball quality too ideally.

Walton / Experienced Keeper

Burns / Vincent-Young
New LWB / Penney
Edmundson / Woolfenden / Donacien / Burgess / Baggott / Ndaba

Morsy / New CM / Evans / Bakinson or El Mizouni or Physical, Experienced CM
Celina / Aluko / Chaplin / New signing if Celina can't come back or Aluko leaves

New ST (Marquee signing) / New ST (Experienced backup like Waghorn) / Jackson

Then the likes of Humphreys, Edwards, Ward, Simpson, Harper etc to fight for places or go out on loan.

[Post edited 19 Apr 2022 11:07]

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:25 - Apr 19 with 1503 views

BondiBlue

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:00 - Apr 19 by wrightsrightglove

I think we'll go with a 4 as well. It's basically been slowly but surely becoming a 4 anyway as burns pushes further and further forward and thompson sits deeper and deeper on the other side.

For me, left back (mauricio taricco clone), central midfielder (jim magilton clone) and striker (pablo counago clone) and this team would be fine.

I've been back and forth on bakinson but i think i've settled on no. He's just got good enough to make up for the fact that is hopeless in a physical battle. Celina infuriated me at the weekend but if we can keep him, we probably should. Chaplin's another i'd throw in there bevause he hasn't been convincing under mckenna but getting rid, as with piggott and penney, is easier said than done.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:29 - Apr 19 with 1495 views

Nthsuffolkblue

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:25 - Apr 19 by BondiBlue

If you are cloning ex-players, why would you clone Pablo instead of Marcus Stewart? The most important of those would be the Magilton clone. Someone to provide that leadership and drive on the pitch as well as set piece ability.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:29 - Apr 19 with 1494 views

jayessess

Not much revision, no. If we went into next season with this squad and just changed the strikers, I'd probably be fine with that.

The midfield got rather outnumbered and swamped against Rotherham, neither Bakinson nor Morsy had a good second half. Not sure it's fair to judge Ty on that one and he's been good for us in general.

I don't think any of our number 10s have been great in the last 3 and I'm growing to think that Aluko flatters to deceive somewhat. He does some lovely things, but the numbers reflect a player who isn't hurting opposition teams. That said, he strikes me as a good experienced player to have around the club.

IMO this is a good group, who'll benefit from a good pre-season together, and we should keep them together as far as possible. Minimise churn, recruit for very very high quality.

[Post edited 19 Apr 2022 11:39]

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:35 - Apr 19 with 1460 views

BondiBlue

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:29 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue
If you are cloning ex-players, why would you clone Pablo instead of Marcus Stewart? The most important of those would be the Magilton clone. Someone to provide that leadership and drive on the pitch as well as set piece ability.

I hesitated over stewart. I think pablo would fit mckenna's one-striker system better. Stewart was always best alongside a target man - scowie or naylor.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:35 - Apr 19 with 1458 views

STYG

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:29 - Apr 19 by jayessess

[Post edited 19 Apr 2022 11:39]

Certainly not judging Bakinson on the back of one game, but the difference for me is that Morsy is excellent for 3 of 4 games. Walton seems to be excellent in 9 out of 10 games.

Bakinson for me is superb, good, poor and anonymous in every four games and we need someone who will be great in 3 of every 4 if we are going to be automatic promotion chasers.

Bakinson is more a project and someone I think will be very good when the mistakes are coached out of him. He has a lot of good attributes.

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:42 - Apr 19 with 1436 views

jayessess

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:35 - Apr 19 by STYG

Might kick on with a pre-season and wouldn't ordinarily be starting in place of Evans in any case.

I think if you can bring in another player at Morsy/Walton's level, then you're definitely doing it mind.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:47 - Apr 19 with 1418 views

pointofblue

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:42 - Apr 19 by jayessess
Might kick on with a pre-season and wouldn't ordinarily be starting in place of Evans in any case. I think if you can bring in another player at Morsy/Walton's level, then you're definitely doing it mind.

I’d keep Bakinson as our fourth choice midfielder as he’s shown more than Carroll but we need someone to compete with and cover for Evans to play alongside Morsy.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:54 - Apr 19 with 1341 views

wkj

I don't think we need a whole lot, but we do need clear first-choice players, as well as some important links. I touched on this on a post that Frimley took a big old dump over, but with Edmunson and Evans being out we lost some key links in the team. Morsy plays so much better with Evans by his side, and the distribution from the back is much better with Edmunson in the team. The appeal of McKenna's football was that it hinged on freedom and confidence for certain players to make decisive moves off the ball and misshapen the opposition, something that went away as secondary players had to come in to focus on the basics of their position.

If we get a good dynamic link on the left as well as between AMC and Strikers - we'll have a good season next year. Also, we need to work on contingencies for when key links and players are not available.

LB, LW 2 Strikers* and replacements in AMC if Celina doesn't stay.

*If Bonne, Norwood, Jackson and Pigott all go. 2 main strikers with work being put in to get Simpson and Yenghi on the fringes.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:57 - Apr 19 with 1330 views

itfcjoe

Bakinson the interesting one for me, thought he was quite poor on Saturday and whilst have previously thought he'll be a decent signing, I wonder whether we want to look elsewhere and maybe go for a different type of player there (i.e. a goalscorer)

We will need 12 goals from our CMs next year in this formation, and don't think Morsy the man to play the role where he is expected to score the bulk of them. We already have Evans here, and maybe we need to go more marquee for that role to get a Matt Holland type

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wkj

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:57 - Apr 19 by itfcjoe

I am not sold on Bakinson either, he's come in and done a job, but I would say the feeling is he's very vanilla. He does a job but doesn't offer a lot of excitement in an area of the pitch we need to be our industrial-grade engine.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:04 - Apr 19 with 1272 views

xrayspecs

Not really, the gaps in our squad have been apparent for a while.

I like what Bakinson brings to the team, he is good at moving the ball forwards, and would persevere with developing him on the defensive side of the role. I would add him as cover to Morsy and Evans, plus a replacement for Carroll.

I can see Bggott being part of the first team squad next season, and potentially Nbada, especially if we go to a back four.

Wide left attacking options x 2 are needed, I suspect Edwards may become understudy to Burns on the right, based on comments KM has made, and his last appearance was on the right iirc.

Assuming only Jackson of the forwards stays, then a couple of forwards will be needed, and potentially three if we play two up front.

At least one of the new additions needs to be able to help us with set piece delivery.

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:11 - Apr 19 with 1235 views

itfcsuth

Up until Cambridge (H) we had progressing phenomenally well under KM - that was over 16 games, will need more than the slight stalling over the last 3 games to change my mind.

Football fans fluctuate too much - one week the players are terrific, the next they should be out the door.

This is a really good squad of players, one of the strongest in the division, and we have shown that in displays like Oxford & Plymouth.

We just lack in a couple of areas. We need an addition in CM (Bakinson or another), we need 2 no.10's (Celina plus another). But most importantly, we need two clinical frontmen.

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:11 - Apr 19 with 1233 views

Darth_Koont

I think it’s fair to say that any of those players have been part of the problem with the team, but could just as easily be part of the solution.

Proven by a player like Jackson who has gone from zero to hero when his strengths fill a gap in a system rather than his weaknesses being exposed when he doesn’t quite fit in.

I think McKenna will probably have a pretty good idea now based on the squad and the success of our competitors. But it wouldn’t be a surprise to see a fair turnover in midfield and attack based on those who don’t quite fit. That may well include players like Celina, Aluko and Chaplin even if they are frequently among our better performers.

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itfcjoe

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:01 - Apr 19 by wkj
I am not sold on Bakinson either, he's come in and done a job, but I would say the feeling is he's very vanilla. He does a job but doesn't offer a lot of excitement in an area of the pitch we need to be our industrial-grade engine.

He has allowed Morsy to push on, and has been dealt a bad hand as he often starts away from home and has done so with many different partners in his time here.

But is he better in that role than Evans? Probably not.

If season started tomorrow and both were fit who would start? Probably Evans, so we need to aim higher

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:24 - Apr 19 by itfcjoe
He has allowed Morsy to push on, and has been dealt a bad hand as he often starts away from home and has done so with many different partners in his time here. But is he better in that role than Evans? Probably not. If season started tomorrow and both were fit who would start? Probably Evans, so we need to aim higher

Evans and Morsy has a synergy - They both player better with one another on the pitch. I know a few have no love for Evans, but he's our top-scoring CM. I think he's much more valuable than some let on.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:48 - Apr 19 with 1071 views

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On the Bakinson front, I see the current deficiencies, but I think with first choice CM pairing likely to be Morsy and Evans, and with Bakinson having a pre-season and further coaching, he's definitely one to keep and develop. He's got a higher top end than any of the others. Ideal third choice CM for me at the start of next season. No brainer.

Totally agree on Celina, in that his impact is massively hampered by playing with strikers that don't score. His assists are/will be massive.

I'd be pushing the boat out to keep Celina, and recruit one 'much better than League one' striker, one young and promising but more or less ready one, and having Jackson/Norwood as two different types of third choice impact striker. I think that the confidence issues of Bonne and Pigott are too engrained for either of them to stay.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:52 - Apr 19 with 1048 views

STYG

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:57 - Apr 19 by itfcjoe

Good point on the goals contribution.

The way Morsy is breaking into the box, he could potentially grab 6 or 7 next year. He could have scored Saturday if Wolf had cut back to him instead of picking out Celina. He's in the positions now.

For me Bakinson isn't the answer as a regular starter now. And we already have a project in Harper, even if Bakinson looks streets ahead.

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BarcaBlue

Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:47 - Apr 19 by pointofblue
I’d keep Bakinson as our fourth choice midfielder as he’s shown more than Carroll but we need someone to compete with and cover for Evans to play alongside Morsy.

That's how I see it but with the caveat that in an ideal world an upgrade on Evan's is needed. Evan's is fine, Bakinson too but think we need a few more goals there.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:06 - Apr 19 by pointofblue

Strongly suspect we will be back in for Crooks this year if Boro don’t go up, and the guy from Hull too the CM.
I’d be very surprised if we did any buys from our current league or the one below. This lot are determined to get the best quality in that they can. Hopefully we can nail Celina down.

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 11:57 - Apr 19 by itfcjoe

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Anyone else revised their opinion in the last few games over who to keep? on 12:26 - Apr 19 by wkj
Evans and Morsy has a synergy - They both player better with one another on the pitch. I know a few have no love for Evans, but he's our top-scoring CM. I think he's much more valuable than some let on.

I was one of those. You just have to look back through my posts earlier in the season to see what I thought about Lee Evans. However, the little that we saw of Evans under McKenna, in that new role he was playing in. I thought he was superb.

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