| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:04 - May 24 with 957 views | DanTheMan |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 08:58 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's just a discussion, idle speculation. You can respond or not... no-one's looking for truth or answers here, because we don't know what could happen 1000, 10000, a million years in the future. There's no need to get all arsey and patronising just because the fact that we don't know has touched a nerve. |
Because saying people aren't being imaginative enough for disagreeing with you isn't being patronising.
As I said, I'm done. Feel free to speculate without interference. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:05 - May 24 with 955 views | footers |
Oh boy. Here we go. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:12 - May 24 with 944 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 08:21 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
See my reply to Stokers. Of course it makes sense. It's perfectly possible that life was started on a dead planet and it then evolved (or was even designed to evolve).
For the hard of thinking, I'm not saying this is true. [Post edited 24 May 2021 8:23]
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But all the evidence is to the contrary and thus it's fine to speculate but to frame it like he has is incorrect.
This is always your debating point now since you started reading some different styles of books: "Prove it's not true or prove it's not possible".
This isn't the way it works as discussed before - the burden of proof is on you. You prove it is possible.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:13 - May 24 with 940 views | Kropotkin123 |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 17:00 - May 23 by Oldsmoker |
They are called UFO's because they are exactly as J2blue has pointed out.
They are objects that fly and they cannot be identified.
Anyone who jumps to the conclusion that they are alien spacecraft should provide evidence.
If they could categorically prove they are alien craft then they wouldn't be classfied as UFO's, would they. FFS. |
They wouldn't be FFS, they'd be IFOs. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:13 - May 24 with 938 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 08:33 - May 24 by 26_Paz |
Certainly technologically ... possibly physiologically as well when you think it |
See this is nonsense peddled by Ancient Aliens and suchlike.
There is a clear line of progression in technology going all the way back to our original development in Africa.
There is no need to invoke any outside context. It's fun to watch the programmes but they aren't scientific in any way and in fact ignore science to make it "entertaining".
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:17 - May 24 with 922 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:04 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
Because saying people aren't being imaginative enough for disagreeing with you isn't being patronising.
As I said, I'm done. Feel free to speculate without interference. |
Saying people aren't being imaginative enough is very different to "The aliens are all magicians who have do a special dance so they can teleport around the universe to deliver pizza."
I've not asked anyone not to interfere. But when you base space travel on what we know now then I'm going to question it. If you'd tried to explain ideas like television, smart phones and the internet to Henry VIII he'd have had a similar reaction to what you and others are having here. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:18 - May 24 with 914 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:12 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
But all the evidence is to the contrary and thus it's fine to speculate but to frame it like he has is incorrect.
This is always your debating point now since you started reading some different styles of books: "Prove it's not true or prove it's not possible".
This isn't the way it works as discussed before - the burden of proof is on you. You prove it is possible.
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I'm not trying to prove anything though. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:19 - May 24 with 908 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 08:58 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's just a discussion, idle speculation. You can respond or not... no-one's looking for truth or answers here, because we don't know what could happen 1000, 10000, a million years in the future. There's no need to get all arsey and patronising just because the fact that we don't know has touched a nerve. |
This is weird again though. We do know how we developed, saying we could have been seeded is no different to saying we were made by god. Both are totally unprovable and both are totally unnecessary given the laws of nature as we understand them. It's not right to add complexity which doesn't need to be there.
For the record, there will be countless alien civilisations out there, many of which (probably including our own) will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about or generational ships. It's also possible for the Earth to be seeded from elsewhere via panspermia.
We have no evidence of either and neither is required to explain the development of life on Earth so there isn't any need to invoke them.
Do you think humans would seed a future planet and then wait 2,000,000,000 years to see what happens? I doubt it because all that would easily be done in a simulation when technology reaches that stage and it could be done in millions of simulations with different parameters each time. That's far more efficient than seeding a planet and seeing what happens billions of years later.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:21 - May 24 with 902 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:18 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not trying to prove anything though. |
You are saying the established facts could be wrong.
In order to take that position the burden of proof is on you. Calling out others for having no imagination isn't the right way to debate the subject. You should be putting forward how it could be possible not shooting down those who have pointed out that it's not required to explain life on Earth.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:54 - May 24 with 872 views | eireblue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:19 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
This is weird again though. We do know how we developed, saying we could have been seeded is no different to saying we were made by god. Both are totally unprovable and both are totally unnecessary given the laws of nature as we understand them. It's not right to add complexity which doesn't need to be there.
For the record, there will be countless alien civilisations out there, many of which (probably including our own) will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about or generational ships. It's also possible for the Earth to be seeded from elsewhere via panspermia.
We have no evidence of either and neither is required to explain the development of life on Earth so there isn't any need to invoke them.
Do you think humans would seed a future planet and then wait 2,000,000,000 years to see what happens? I doubt it because all that would easily be done in a simulation when technology reaches that stage and it could be done in millions of simulations with different parameters each time. That's far more efficient than seeding a planet and seeing what happens billions of years later.
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The earth was one of the best monster zoos in the universe, unfortunately a teenage zorgonian, left the door to their mouse enclosure open, and when they started breeding, the large rock sent to crush the colony, not only missed, but had unforeseen consequences.
Some Zorgonians are known to visit still, in order to remember what can go wrong if you try and run a monster zoo on the cheap. Completely ruined the Phargal family and the red zone project was completely abandoned. |  | | |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:00 - May 24 with 861 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:54 - May 24 by eireblue |
The earth was one of the best monster zoos in the universe, unfortunately a teenage zorgonian, left the door to their mouse enclosure open, and when they started breeding, the large rock sent to crush the colony, not only missed, but had unforeseen consequences.
Some Zorgonians are known to visit still, in order to remember what can go wrong if you try and run a monster zoo on the cheap. Completely ruined the Phargal family and the red zone project was completely abandoned. |
This is actually the plot of a good number of sci-fi books.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:02 - May 24 with 859 views | Keno |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:54 - May 24 by eireblue |
The earth was one of the best monster zoos in the universe, unfortunately a teenage zorgonian, left the door to their mouse enclosure open, and when they started breeding, the large rock sent to crush the colony, not only missed, but had unforeseen consequences.
Some Zorgonians are known to visit still, in order to remember what can go wrong if you try and run a monster zoo on the cheap. Completely ruined the Phargal family and the red zone project was completely abandoned. |
by "Zorgonians' you mean people from Donegal don't you? |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:04 - May 24 with 847 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 17:25 - May 23 by footers |
He's been calling himself that for a while.
It's a shame, really, because I reckon he's only a letter out. |
What’s the letter? |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:09 - May 24 with 841 views | footers |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:04 - May 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
What’s the letter? |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:14 - May 24 with 837 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:19 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
This is weird again though. We do know how we developed, saying we could have been seeded is no different to saying we were made by god. Both are totally unprovable and both are totally unnecessary given the laws of nature as we understand them. It's not right to add complexity which doesn't need to be there.
For the record, there will be countless alien civilisations out there, many of which (probably including our own) will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about or generational ships. It's also possible for the Earth to be seeded from elsewhere via panspermia.
We have no evidence of either and neither is required to explain the development of life on Earth so there isn't any need to invoke them.
Do you think humans would seed a future planet and then wait 2,000,000,000 years to see what happens? I doubt it because all that would easily be done in a simulation when technology reaches that stage and it could be done in millions of simulations with different parameters each time. That's far more efficient than seeding a planet and seeing what happens billions of years later.
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I think saying we were seeded is very different from god. We've seen how things grow from molecule in a petri dish. God is in the realms of the supernatural.
For the record, I don't believe we were placed here by aliens. It was a flippant remark that it's possible.
I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth).
Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded. I think you're more on my side when you say there will be countless alien civilisations out there "many of which will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about." That's all I'm positing. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:17 - May 24 with 832 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 09:21 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
You are saying the established facts could be wrong.
In order to take that position the burden of proof is on you. Calling out others for having no imagination isn't the right way to debate the subject. You should be putting forward how it could be possible not shooting down those who have pointed out that it's not required to explain life on Earth.
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You need to get away from this seeding on Earth thing. It was a flippant remark and wasn't what I called out a lack of imagination on or what this thread was meant to be about. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:18 - May 24 with 830 views | footers |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:14 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think saying we were seeded is very different from god. We've seen how things grow from molecule in a petri dish. God is in the realms of the supernatural.
For the record, I don't believe we were placed here by aliens. It was a flippant remark that it's possible.
I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth).
Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded. I think you're more on my side when you say there will be countless alien civilisations out there "many of which will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about." That's all I'm positing. |
You really don't help yourself with comments like "Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded."
Occam's Razor, Dollers my old fruit. Believing that the most likely explanation is correct does not mean you discount every other possibility. It is possible they're aliens, but it's about as likely as Norwich winning a trophy. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:22 - May 24 with 819 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:14 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think saying we were seeded is very different from god. We've seen how things grow from molecule in a petri dish. God is in the realms of the supernatural.
For the record, I don't believe we were placed here by aliens. It was a flippant remark that it's possible.
I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth).
Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded. I think you're more on my side when you say there will be countless alien civilisations out there "many of which will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about." That's all I'm positing. |
So back on topic:
"Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded."
It's not close-minded to cite secret military technology, this is where you I feel you are wrong. There is a hierarchy of probability and it's right to look at it using the most probable first before invoking something more "open minded".
"I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth)."
Is there a need to invoke far more technologically advanced aliens to explain what is in the videos? The US created the Blackbird 60 years ago, they made stealth 40 years ago and since then they haven't released any information on what has come after stealth. I think it's reasonable to say that with increased computing power, over the last 40 years they have probably developed something quite exotic. This would probably take the form of a drone hence it could also achieve the moves seen without crushing any pilots.
To me, that is the most likely explanation since the craft are understandable. If they were alien there is a good chance we wouldn't even recognise what we were seeing. That doesn't mean we can rule out alien though, it's just a matter of probabilities.
If you really want to look into strange things which are harder to explain then look at USO's. Once again though this could be military technology but it's a bit harder to explain.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:27 - May 24 with 809 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:18 - May 24 by footers |
You really don't help yourself with comments like "Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded."
Occam's Razor, Dollers my old fruit. Believing that the most likely explanation is correct does not mean you discount every other possibility. It is possible they're aliens, but it's about as likely as Norwich winning a trophy. |
I totally agree with Occam's Razor, not discounting it at all. I'm just keeping an open mind to the alien theory rather than try to shut it down. Why would I? I have no idea one way or the other. It's an explanation. I haven't said if it's the most likely one or not.
Stokers, who's one of the most respected on here when it comes to science stuff, agrees with me that "there will be countless alien civilisations out there, many of which will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about." That's all I'm saying could be an explanation.
I always find it weird how people angrily shut down these suggestions. Why does it bother them so much? It's possible, that's it. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:30 - May 24 with 806 views | eireblue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:22 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
So back on topic:
"Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded."
It's not close-minded to cite secret military technology, this is where you I feel you are wrong. There is a hierarchy of probability and it's right to look at it using the most probable first before invoking something more "open minded".
"I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth)."
Is there a need to invoke far more technologically advanced aliens to explain what is in the videos? The US created the Blackbird 60 years ago, they made stealth 40 years ago and since then they haven't released any information on what has come after stealth. I think it's reasonable to say that with increased computing power, over the last 40 years they have probably developed something quite exotic. This would probably take the form of a drone hence it could also achieve the moves seen without crushing any pilots.
To me, that is the most likely explanation since the craft are understandable. If they were alien there is a good chance we wouldn't even recognise what we were seeing. That doesn't mean we can rule out alien though, it's just a matter of probabilities.
If you really want to look into strange things which are harder to explain then look at USO's. Once again though this could be military technology but it's a bit harder to explain.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:34 - May 24 with 800 views | Keno |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:30 - May 24 by eireblue |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:37 - May 24 with 795 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:22 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
So back on topic:
"Of course some will say there is no need - and just explain it all away as secret military hardware. Fine, if they want to stay that closed-minded."
It's not close-minded to cite secret military technology, this is where you I feel you are wrong. There is a hierarchy of probability and it's right to look at it using the most probable first before invoking something more "open minded".
"I think we've moved away from the OP somewhat, which was to simply ask what people think could be in the Pentagon's up-coming report. There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that (rather than to explain the development of life on Earth)."
Is there a need to invoke far more technologically advanced aliens to explain what is in the videos? The US created the Blackbird 60 years ago, they made stealth 40 years ago and since then they haven't released any information on what has come after stealth. I think it's reasonable to say that with increased computing power, over the last 40 years they have probably developed something quite exotic. This would probably take the form of a drone hence it could also achieve the moves seen without crushing any pilots.
To me, that is the most likely explanation since the craft are understandable. If they were alien there is a good chance we wouldn't even recognise what we were seeing. That doesn't mean we can rule out alien though, it's just a matter of probabilities.
If you really want to look into strange things which are harder to explain then look at USO's. Once again though this could be military technology but it's a bit harder to explain.
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Where have I stated that one's more probable than the other? You seem to have invented in your own heard that I've said these are more likely to be alien spacecraft than anything else, and then constructed your argument around that.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:38 - May 24 with 794 views | footers |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:27 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I totally agree with Occam's Razor, not discounting it at all. I'm just keeping an open mind to the alien theory rather than try to shut it down. Why would I? I have no idea one way or the other. It's an explanation. I haven't said if it's the most likely one or not.
Stokers, who's one of the most respected on here when it comes to science stuff, agrees with me that "there will be countless alien civilisations out there, many of which will manage to get to other stars using some tech we don't know about." That's all I'm saying could be an explanation.
I always find it weird how people angrily shut down these suggestions. Why does it bother them so much? It's possible, that's it. |
My post yesterday said that I completely believe there to be alien life. So of course it is an explanation - again, a very unlikely one. Thinking that it's simply the US military is not being 'closed-minded' either; it's just the most obvious explanation given what we know from history.
I'm not sure who's angry on this thread? And has anyone actually tried to shut down that suggestion, or merely said they think it's highly unlikely as well? | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:43 - May 24 with 783 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:37 - May 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I stated that one's more probable than the other? You seem to have invented in your own heard that I've said these are more likely to be alien spacecraft than anything else, and then constructed your argument around that.
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I've not invented anything, I think you might need to re-read your posts as I think the context I am reading (perhaps incorrectly) is different to what you might be trying to say.
For example in your last post:
"There was a need to invoke far more technologically evolved aliens as an explanation for that"
That is clearly defining that the probability is higher that it's not military as you've stated there is a need to invoke something else. Perhaps that's not what you meant which is of course fine but that is how it reads to me. I haven't said it can't be aliens, I don't think anyone has said that.
USO = Unknown Submerged Object. It's far harder to go fast underwater and it's even harder to go underwater then come out of the water into the air, fly around and then go back in again which is what some of the object on the military cameras are apparently doing. Once again though, there are multiple possible explanations for such things.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:48 - May 24 with 776 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 10:38 - May 24 by footers |
My post yesterday said that I completely believe there to be alien life. So of course it is an explanation - again, a very unlikely one. Thinking that it's simply the US military is not being 'closed-minded' either; it's just the most obvious explanation given what we know from history.
I'm not sure who's angry on this thread? And has anyone actually tried to shut down that suggestion, or merely said they think it's highly unlikely as well? |
I'm not saying thinking that it's simply the US military is being closed-minded... I'm saying thinking that's the only feasible explanation is closed-minded.
Some people, in general not just this thread, seem to get angry at the suggestion of aliens. You can see that in one or two ridiculing it to ridiculous lengths, making silly premises and giving short shrift to the idea etc.
I'm not sure what's wrong with "It's probably military hardware but it could be aliens, given we know they're likely to exist and some will be far in advance of us." People try to make all sorts of twists and turns to what I'm saying but it's really just that. | |
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