| McKenna Contract Situation… 22:57 - Sep 3 with 3408 views | MickMacTerry |
KMc only has 2.5 years left on his deal…surely we need to get him tied down sooner rather than later?
If Lambert earned a 4 year extension, surely KMc warrants something similar at least?
Worried he will get poached if our success continues. [Post edited 3 Sep 2022 23:00]
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 22:58 - Sep 3 with 3141 views | Daninthecampo |
New Championship contract next season | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:13 - Sep 3 with 3034 views | tractordownsouth |
The compensation required to poach a manager relative to a player is small, so I doubt a longer contract would make all that much difference to whether a club in a higher division decided to appoint him.
The money is the more important aspect and if we carry on as we are then KM definitely has a case to be paid more but I'd imagine he's already earning more than a few Championship managers anyway. |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:16 - Sep 3 with 3000 views | SitfcB |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:13 - Sep 3 by tractordownsouth |
The compensation required to poach a manager relative to a player is small, so I doubt a longer contract would make all that much difference to whether a club in a higher division decided to appoint him.
The money is the more important aspect and if we carry on as we are then KM definitely has a case to be paid more but I'd imagine he's already earning more than a few Championship managers anyway. |
We could put in a buyout clause for £5million or £10million or whatever, just to protect him. I don’t think he’s going to be one to want to leave so soon after starting out anyway. |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:21 - Sep 3 with 2973 views | ScottCandage |
I would argue that other than the stadium, KMK is this club's biggest asset. Everyone has a price, but let's say ManU comes calling. Back up the Brinks truck, Glasers... 10 mil? 20? We may lose him, but we won't lose him for chump change. |  | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:26 - Sep 3 with 2930 views | SomethingBlue |
He's the real deal and will manage in the Champions League one day — and would probably do well at a decent Premier League club if one took him right now. I don't think there's a rush at the moment though; expect he'd be rewarded if he took us up, which is distinctly possible. | |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:05 - Sep 4 with 2722 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 23:26 - Sep 3 by SomethingBlue |
He's the real deal and will manage in the Champions League one day — and would probably do well at a decent Premier League club if one took him right now. I don't think there's a rush at the moment though; expect he'd be rewarded if he took us up, which is distinctly possible. |
With the owners we have... if he is to become that manager... there's no reason he couldn't do it here. Just depends how long he's willing to stay.. |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:06 - Sep 4 with 2731 views | Epiphone |
I would really, really hate him to leave before he, at least, took us back to the Championship.It is,however, inevitable that one day a “bigger” Club will lure him away.The only comfort I take is that our present ownership structure would be able to replace him with a similarly young, progressive coach. I agree with the OP though, that it would be better to tie him down (in as far as that’s possible) with a longer contract. |  | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:41 - Sep 4 with 2644 views | hoppy |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:06 - Sep 4 by Epiphone |
I would really, really hate him to leave before he, at least, took us back to the Championship.It is,however, inevitable that one day a “bigger” Club will lure him away.The only comfort I take is that our present ownership structure would be able to replace him with a similarly young, progressive coach. I agree with the OP though, that it would be better to tie him down (in as far as that’s possible) with a longer contract. |
He’s got every possibility of being a modern day Bobby Robson… who don’t forget, turned down several opportunities he was given to move to a ‘bigger’ club, choosing to continue what he’d started here! |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:54 - Sep 4 with 2620 views | Illinoisblue |
I love his pressers; they’re genuinely educational. Love how he explains his decisions, what he was expecting the opposition to and how/why he changes things. We are blessed to have him. |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 01:07 - Sep 4 with 2587 views | Stewart27 |
I absolutely love KM.
But he’s been here 9 months and achieved nothing yet. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 05:04 - Sep 4 with 2431 views | Epiphone |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 01:07 - Sep 4 by Stewart27 |
I absolutely love KM.
But he’s been here 9 months and achieved nothing yet. |
At this stage I’ll settle for the,widely held,feeling that we’re finally getting our Club back! | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 06:37 - Sep 4 with 2290 views | textbackup |
It’s been said many a times, he needs to achieve something here before he gets a shot elsewhere.
He’s young, he has probably another 30/35 years ahead of him in the game, I’m very confident that he will be he for a period of time, in which the club becomes successful.
However, let’s remember MA brought him in, so I’m also confident he has another list with equal quality managers he’d look at if needs be. |  |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 06:53 - Sep 4 with 2247 views | fab_lover |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 01:07 - Sep 4 by Stewart27 |
I absolutely love KM.
But he’s been here 9 months and achieved nothing yet. |
Correct. I think he's amazing as well, but let's not forget that mostly this isn't his team, and although we think he's done wonders, a neutral would say that with the strength of the squad and the backing he has, what's happening shouldn't be a surprise (the exact opposite of course happened with our last manager). Morsy and Walton - our best two players without a doubt, and without whom we might not be in the top six at the moment - were not his signings.
If KM is as wise as we hope he is, and ambitious, he'll know that to get to the top of his career, he'll have to get us into the Premiership, and keep us there for a season, to really "win his spurs". He's only 36, and to be managing a Champions League team / National team at 40 would still be exceptionally good going.
It's still very very early days. Great days, we all have faith for the first time for a while, but let's not get carried away. If KM is half the man we hope he is, he'll stay until the job is done. |  | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 07:02 - Sep 4 with 2210 views | PioneerBlue |
He is building his cv, he’s been in coaching a long time. I don’t see knee jerk decisions without having 1) failed here over several seasons, 2) achieved something here and taken us as far as is possible in the short term. He’s wants success on his cv, he wants experience of achievements, 1.5 years takes us past this season and into the next preseason by which time we will all know a bit more then he will still have 1 year to go. | |
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| McKenna Contract Situation… on 07:08 - Sep 4 with 2177 views | davblue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 00:05 - Sep 4 by FrimleyBlue |
With the owners we have... if he is to become that manager... there's no reason he couldn't do it here. Just depends how long he's willing to stay.. |
Give over.
The American’s are funding it to a point but they won’t put in the money required for that and we wouldn’t have the spending power with financial fair play. See Newcastle a much bigger club and the restrictions they have despite having loads of backing.
Our recruitment would have to be outstanding for many years buying and selling and we would still only have a small chance. |  | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 07:14 - Sep 4 with 2123 views | HighgateBlue |
I have some sympathy with this view, but don't hold the Lambert decision up as some kind of model! Surely it's common ground that that was a massive mistake?
(And I say that as someone who thinks that Lambert was clearly the least bad of the three latter day Pauls...) |  | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 07:21 - Sep 4 with 2094 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Am sure he’ll be getting a new one in May. At which point the onus is on the club to give him the best possible chance of promotion to the PL. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 08:39 - Sep 4 with 1783 views | Battersea_Blue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 07:08 - Sep 4 by davblue |
Give over.
The American’s are funding it to a point but they won’t put in the money required for that and we wouldn’t have the spending power with financial fair play. See Newcastle a much bigger club and the restrictions they have despite having loads of backing.
Our recruitment would have to be outstanding for many years buying and selling and we would still only have a small chance. |
How do you know the American's "won't put money required for that"?
The pension fund is a massively cash rich enterprise. They have the money to invest in us to take us as far as they want to. One day they will sell the club and will want a decent return on it, of course, but providing we continue to employ an excellent CEO and a fantastic young manager, they will certainly fund us to reach the Premier League.
FFP is only a problem if owners "loan" funds to the club. What our owners have done thus far is "invest" in the club, therefore the investment is an asset rather than a loan. I haven't seen Newcastle's Accounts, but if they're struggling with FFP they're not putting cash into the club in the right way. It'd be interesting to see what loans they have, which is probably their restriction.
Who knows what the future will hold, but so far our owners could not have done a better job in backing the club in the right way.
I agree our recruitment will need to be good going forward, that's the same for every club of course. What we appear to have is a "team" of people that really do their homework on potential player acquisitions and at this level, with the investment the owners are putting in, we have created arguably the strongest squad in the division.
The £'s will go up of course should we make the Championship, building a squad to challenge for promotion. But the owners would have been fully aware of that when they acquired us. It would make little sense for them to sell us once promotion to the Championship was achieved. I feel they're ready to put whatever backing is needed to put us in a Championship promotion challenging position.
The big questions will come should we reach the Premiership. Our owners will undoubtedly have an exit plan, though I imagine a lot will depend on the management we have in place at that time (on and off the pitch) and how they perceive our chances of staying up and/or making an impact. The commercial side is so massive in the Premier League if we stay up one season it'll make a huge difference to our balance sheet and therefore worth.
Long post and haven't actually addressed the OP yet - apologies.
Nobody knows what KM's thinking is, but as someone has posted in this thread it is reminiscent of Bobby Robson when he first joined, though obviously KM wasn't sacked, we recruited him from one of the top coaching jobs in the world. KM comes over as a thoughtful, strategic and ethical man, so my take is he absolutely respects that we've given him a fantastic opportunity, so I would expect a high level of loyalty from him.
I'm old enough to have been a fan as far back as Alf Ramsay's time, so I witnessed the whole Bobby Robson era. I remember vividly when Barcelona came calling for him. It was obvious 50% of him wanted to take that job at that time, but in the end he turned them down. Maybe naively I believe KM will be of the same ilk. He'll leave eventually, but I don't believe it'll be until he feels satisfied that he's really brought Ipswich back to where he believes we can get, with the backing we have. Right now it's plainly obvious he's really enjoying his job with us, respects our history and has a tremendous relationship with MA.
We are so going in the right direction. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 08:53 - Sep 4 with 1700 views | hadleighboyblue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 06:37 - Sep 4 by textbackup |
It’s been said many a times, he needs to achieve something here before he gets a shot elsewhere.
He’s young, he has probably another 30/35 years ahead of him in the game, I’m very confident that he will be he for a period of time, in which the club becomes successful.
However, let’s remember MA brought him in, so I’m also confident he has another list with equal quality managers he’d look at if needs be. |
We have got ourselves a class manager , haven't we . One that the players are responding to because we have brought in the right character of player to the club , at the right time in their careers to be ambitious .
Does anyone know if we approached KM or did he approach us for the job ? either way , what a brilliant appointment | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:20 - Sep 4 with 1602 views | davblue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 08:39 - Sep 4 by Battersea_Blue |
How do you know the American's "won't put money required for that"?
The pension fund is a massively cash rich enterprise. They have the money to invest in us to take us as far as they want to. One day they will sell the club and will want a decent return on it, of course, but providing we continue to employ an excellent CEO and a fantastic young manager, they will certainly fund us to reach the Premier League.
FFP is only a problem if owners "loan" funds to the club. What our owners have done thus far is "invest" in the club, therefore the investment is an asset rather than a loan. I haven't seen Newcastle's Accounts, but if they're struggling with FFP they're not putting cash into the club in the right way. It'd be interesting to see what loans they have, which is probably their restriction.
Who knows what the future will hold, but so far our owners could not have done a better job in backing the club in the right way.
I agree our recruitment will need to be good going forward, that's the same for every club of course. What we appear to have is a "team" of people that really do their homework on potential player acquisitions and at this level, with the investment the owners are putting in, we have created arguably the strongest squad in the division.
The £'s will go up of course should we make the Championship, building a squad to challenge for promotion. But the owners would have been fully aware of that when they acquired us. It would make little sense for them to sell us once promotion to the Championship was achieved. I feel they're ready to put whatever backing is needed to put us in a Championship promotion challenging position.
The big questions will come should we reach the Premiership. Our owners will undoubtedly have an exit plan, though I imagine a lot will depend on the management we have in place at that time (on and off the pitch) and how they perceive our chances of staying up and/or making an impact. The commercial side is so massive in the Premier League if we stay up one season it'll make a huge difference to our balance sheet and therefore worth.
Long post and haven't actually addressed the OP yet - apologies.
Nobody knows what KM's thinking is, but as someone has posted in this thread it is reminiscent of Bobby Robson when he first joined, though obviously KM wasn't sacked, we recruited him from one of the top coaching jobs in the world. KM comes over as a thoughtful, strategic and ethical man, so my take is he absolutely respects that we've given him a fantastic opportunity, so I would expect a high level of loyalty from him.
I'm old enough to have been a fan as far back as Alf Ramsay's time, so I witnessed the whole Bobby Robson era. I remember vividly when Barcelona came calling for him. It was obvious 50% of him wanted to take that job at that time, but in the end he turned them down. Maybe naively I believe KM will be of the same ilk. He'll leave eventually, but I don't believe it'll be until he feels satisfied that he's really brought Ipswich back to where he believes we can get, with the backing we have. Right now it's plainly obvious he's really enjoying his job with us, respects our history and has a tremendous relationship with MA.
We are so going in the right direction. |
Frimleys post was about McKenna taking Ipswich to the Champions league.
I don’t believe a pension group will invest around a billion pounds and that’s probably conservative, on the ground, training ground and investment on players to that tune do you?
If McKenna gets us to the premier league bigger clubs will pick them up before he would get a chance of champions league football with us.
I might be wrong of course but I don’t see that level of investment happening whilst this ownership group is here. I suspect if we get in the prem for a couple of years that will be the point where they trigger a sale. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:23 - Sep 4 with 1583 views | Epiphone |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 08:53 - Sep 4 by hadleighboyblue |
We have got ourselves a class manager , haven't we . One that the players are responding to because we have brought in the right character of player to the club , at the right time in their careers to be ambitious .
Does anyone know if we approached KM or did he approach us for the job ? either way , what a brilliant appointment |
My understanding was that MA had a list of candidates and he made the first approach to MU. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:27 - Sep 4 with 1569 views | bluestandard |
I share your concerns, but as others have said, managers can move far more easily than players. What gives me hope on this is that the approach from Ashton has been such that everyone who has come to the club (including McKenna), has had to totally commit to the project, particularly by moving to the area. McKenna has also brought in a lot of his own team who are all playing a part in our current success. I just can’t see how he would change now given the assurances he must have given those who he has recruited.
Having said all that, the club should always be thinking about succession planning. Look at Plymouth and MK Dons last year as examples of how a club with a clear identity can continue its forward progress in spite of a change of manager. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:37 - Sep 4 with 1525 views | Battersea_Blue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:20 - Sep 4 by davblue |
Frimleys post was about McKenna taking Ipswich to the Champions league.
I don’t believe a pension group will invest around a billion pounds and that’s probably conservative, on the ground, training ground and investment on players to that tune do you?
If McKenna gets us to the premier league bigger clubs will pick them up before he would get a chance of champions league football with us.
I might be wrong of course but I don’t see that level of investment happening whilst this ownership group is here. I suspect if we get in the prem for a couple of years that will be the point where they trigger a sale. |
Don't see it being a billion £ needed, but would obviously be a big number.
Whatever that cost, it wouldn't be done over a single season, it'd be spread. We're already making improvements and from what MA is saying we'll be doing the pitch this coming close season, irrelevant of what division we're in.
Our commercial activities have already improved enormously and will continue to do so. I do have some "insider knowledge" within the club and commercial is one area that will be bolstered. We're missing so many opportunities in that area purely because it's not been addressed properly for so long. Having Ed Sheeran on board with us is a big boost but there's so much more we can do to generate previously untapped commercial revenue.
It's impossible to know what the owners will do should we make the prem, despite them having a pre-defined exit plan. Perhaps some of their other investments go belly up, meaning they need to sell us to generate cash. Conversely, they could be doing brilliantly well and have large amounts of spare cash they need to invest.
All I know right now is that we're at the start of a potentially brilliant period for our football club. Probably, in relative terms, the best financial position the club has ever been in. The Cobbolds were fantastic for ITFC, but they didn't have deep enough pockets to give us a big enough squad in the late 70's/early 80's to capitalise when we had the best starting 11 in the league. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:51 - Sep 4 with 1464 views | davblue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 09:37 - Sep 4 by Battersea_Blue |
Don't see it being a billion £ needed, but would obviously be a big number.
Whatever that cost, it wouldn't be done over a single season, it'd be spread. We're already making improvements and from what MA is saying we'll be doing the pitch this coming close season, irrelevant of what division we're in.
Our commercial activities have already improved enormously and will continue to do so. I do have some "insider knowledge" within the club and commercial is one area that will be bolstered. We're missing so many opportunities in that area purely because it's not been addressed properly for so long. Having Ed Sheeran on board with us is a big boost but there's so much more we can do to generate previously untapped commercial revenue.
It's impossible to know what the owners will do should we make the prem, despite them having a pre-defined exit plan. Perhaps some of their other investments go belly up, meaning they need to sell us to generate cash. Conversely, they could be doing brilliantly well and have large amounts of spare cash they need to invest.
All I know right now is that we're at the start of a potentially brilliant period for our football club. Probably, in relative terms, the best financial position the club has ever been in. The Cobbolds were fantastic for ITFC, but they didn't have deep enough pockets to give us a big enough squad in the late 70's/early 80's to capitalise when we had the best starting 11 in the league. |
It would without any shadow of a doubt cost that amount of money to get in the champions league and having a structure around it.
City have spent 1.44billion pounds since 2008 and they were a premiership club and had a stadium that was fit for purpose. | | | |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 12:23 - Sep 4 with 1141 views | Radlett_blue |
| McKenna Contract Situation… on 06:53 - Sep 4 by fab_lover |
Correct. I think he's amazing as well, but let's not forget that mostly this isn't his team, and although we think he's done wonders, a neutral would say that with the strength of the squad and the backing he has, what's happening shouldn't be a surprise (the exact opposite of course happened with our last manager). Morsy and Walton - our best two players without a doubt, and without whom we might not be in the top six at the moment - were not his signings.
If KM is as wise as we hope he is, and ambitious, he'll know that to get to the top of his career, he'll have to get us into the Premiership, and keep us there for a season, to really "win his spurs". He's only 36, and to be managing a Champions League team / National team at 40 would still be exceptionally good going.
It's still very very early days. Great days, we all have faith for the first time for a while, but let's not get carried away. If KM is half the man we hope he is, he'll stay until the job is done. |
Point of order - while Cook brought Walton to town, it was McKenna who managed to make him a permanent signing. The best keeper Town have had in years.
As some have said, McKenna hasn't really achieved anything yet, although all the signs are good. I doubt clubs offering him better prospects e.g. a PL club or a well funded Championship club, will be chasing him yet. Things will get more interesting if we get promoted this season & then McKenna will see to what extent Town's owners are willing to back him. |  |
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