| Strategy, structure and identity 10:53 - Aug 16 with 3913 views | Bluefish |
Throughout the Shambert reign I have often spoken about the 3 things above, we have been massively lacking in all 3 under PRP. The first season should have either been used to fight for survival or to install foundations that would be solid enough to use to build again. It was neither we limped down and had no clear identity or plan, it was random stuff each week. Once we came down I spoke lots about what I was seeing on the pitch and how many problems we had despite the league table, it was so random and no identity or something that was being built on.
The words from Norris confirms it, we didn't build a formation and find the best available team to work with it. We didn't concentrate on having the players to support each other in a blend of creativity, size and workrate, we just chucked players on the pitch. No thoughts of looking at the opposition and working out a carefully created plan in advance, we just chucked players on the litch based on scoring in the weekly 5 aside or running drills.
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:02 - Aug 16 with 3877 views | itfcjoe |
The thing is we did, to an extent, build foundations in the relegation - we seemed to settle on an identity of pragmatic passing once we abandoned the splitting centre backs etc
Then we settled in a 433 or 4411 depending on in or out of possession, seemed to sign players around this.....but then it all went out of the window
We seemed to set up to be a counter attacking side last season, but when teams sat in against us especially at PR we just fumbled around like a drunk trying to find a light switch in the dark - inexcusable really |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:06 - Aug 16 with 3855 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:02 - Aug 16 by itfcjoe |
The thing is we did, to an extent, build foundations in the relegation - we seemed to settle on an identity of pragmatic passing once we abandoned the splitting centre backs etc
Then we settled in a 433 or 4411 depending on in or out of possession, seemed to sign players around this.....but then it all went out of the window
We seemed to set up to be a counter attacking side last season, but when teams sat in against us especially at PR we just fumbled around like a drunk trying to find a light switch in the dark - inexcusable really |
Setting up as a counter attacking side when you are easily one of the biggest in the division is madness. Teams sat so far off us and we had no idea what to do. The 1st half at MK being a classic example | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:14 - Aug 16 with 3830 views | textbackup |
the absolute lack of fight or idea from manager and players when we went down is gut wrenching stuff.
Was like watching a puppy get kicked by a bunch of yobs, hopeless and clueless.
Same mistakes week on week.
Last season, after Gillingham away, we had chucked a load of players in and the line up was maybe 4 different from the week before. and I thought "we are going to go up purely because this league is so sht, nothing to do with PL or the players knowing what they are doing"
then teams absolutely worked out how crap we actually are/were and made our highly paid d1ckheads look stupid. |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:18 - Aug 16 with 3818 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:14 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
the absolute lack of fight or idea from manager and players when we went down is gut wrenching stuff.
Was like watching a puppy get kicked by a bunch of yobs, hopeless and clueless.
Same mistakes week on week.
Last season, after Gillingham away, we had chucked a load of players in and the line up was maybe 4 different from the week before. and I thought "we are going to go up purely because this league is so sht, nothing to do with PL or the players knowing what they are doing"
then teams absolutely worked out how crap we actually are/were and made our highly paid d1ckheads look stupid. |
I got the feeling that all teams start the season getting used to each other and different systems, at the start of the season all sides were in the same boat but as the season got going the other teams clicked in and found a groove. We were of course still changing every week and couldn't get used to anything or find a groove. When we tried to put less changes in to settle and find a groove we were months behind the others. He royally screwed it up | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:22 - Aug 16 with 3811 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:02 - Aug 16 by itfcjoe |
The thing is we did, to an extent, build foundations in the relegation - we seemed to settle on an identity of pragmatic passing once we abandoned the splitting centre backs etc
Then we settled in a 433 or 4411 depending on in or out of possession, seemed to sign players around this.....but then it all went out of the window
We seemed to set up to be a counter attacking side last season, but when teams sat in against us especially at PR we just fumbled around like a drunk trying to find a light switch in the dark - inexcusable really |
This is way more accurate. We did have a strategy but it went wrong..ultimately the blame for that lies with Lambert.
That said i think there was a plan to get us up and a longer term plan at the same time in terms if phasing the younger players in. This remains where Lambert clings on for me and he has a final chance i'll give him. If El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankaster, Dozzell etc all start to establish themselves and we start getting results then we can draw a line on whats gone. If not Lambert will be gone.
He's accepted his mistakes, lets get behind the side rather than constant (absolutely and tediously constant) criticismmoaningabuse of the manager..achieves nothing. He's 100% gone if we're not right in the mix after 15 games so.this is pointless and really counter productive. A united team and support is what we need. |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:27 - Aug 16 with 3789 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:22 - Aug 16 by Terry_Nutkins |
This is way more accurate. We did have a strategy but it went wrong..ultimately the blame for that lies with Lambert.
That said i think there was a plan to get us up and a longer term plan at the same time in terms if phasing the younger players in. This remains where Lambert clings on for me and he has a final chance i'll give him. If El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankaster, Dozzell etc all start to establish themselves and we start getting results then we can draw a line on whats gone. If not Lambert will be gone.
He's accepted his mistakes, lets get behind the side rather than constant (absolutely and tediously constant) criticismmoaningabuse of the manager..achieves nothing. He's 100% gone if we're not right in the mix after 15 games so.this is pointless and really counter productive. A united team and support is what we need. |
Why waste another season? Just get him out now and give someone good a chance | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:31 - Aug 16 with 3785 views | Horsham |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:27 - Aug 16 by Bluefish |
Why waste another season? Just get him out now and give someone good a chance |
I’d have liked him gone and still would but realistically it isn’t going to happen so in my mind I’d happily take a good season under Lambert if it were on offer. For now he’s staying and and we’re not at the stage where Marcus will sack him if he loses the next match so with regret we go again for now under Lambert. |  | | |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:46 - Aug 16 with 3764 views | pointofblue |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:27 - Aug 16 by Bluefish |
Why waste another season? Just get him out now and give someone good a chance |
But posting never-ending anti-Lambert posts on the forum isn’t going to result in him leaving now. I would say only football results will do that, but after gifting him a five year contract despite the November and December debacle I’m not so sure. | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 12:00 - Aug 16 with 3740 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:46 - Aug 16 by pointofblue |
But posting never-ending anti-Lambert posts on the forum isn’t going to result in him leaving now. I would say only football results will do that, but after gifting him a five year contract despite the November and December debacle I’m not so sure. |
Lambert out | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 12:13 - Aug 16 with 3721 views | Herbivore |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:22 - Aug 16 by Terry_Nutkins |
This is way more accurate. We did have a strategy but it went wrong..ultimately the blame for that lies with Lambert.
That said i think there was a plan to get us up and a longer term plan at the same time in terms if phasing the younger players in. This remains where Lambert clings on for me and he has a final chance i'll give him. If El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankaster, Dozzell etc all start to establish themselves and we start getting results then we can draw a line on whats gone. If not Lambert will be gone.
He's accepted his mistakes, lets get behind the side rather than constant (absolutely and tediously constant) criticismmoaningabuse of the manager..achieves nothing. He's 100% gone if we're not right in the mix after 15 games so.this is pointless and really counter productive. A united team and support is what we need. |
There was zero evidence last season of a longer term plan or of phasing younger players in. We were one of the worst in the league for giving minutes to players aged under 23. |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 17:07 - Aug 16 with 3551 views | BlueBadger |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 11:22 - Aug 16 by Terry_Nutkins |
This is way more accurate. We did have a strategy but it went wrong..ultimately the blame for that lies with Lambert.
That said i think there was a plan to get us up and a longer term plan at the same time in terms if phasing the younger players in. This remains where Lambert clings on for me and he has a final chance i'll give him. If El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankaster, Dozzell etc all start to establish themselves and we start getting results then we can draw a line on whats gone. If not Lambert will be gone.
He's accepted his mistakes, lets get behind the side rather than constant (absolutely and tediously constant) criticismmoaningabuse of the manager..achieves nothing. He's 100% gone if we're not right in the mix after 15 games so.this is pointless and really counter productive. A united team and support is what we need. |
What was the strategy? |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 17:17 - Aug 16 with 3532 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 17:07 - Aug 16 by BlueBadger |
What was the strategy? |
PR spin the fans and get them to sing for you so you get a big contract? | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:03 - Aug 16 with 3436 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 17:07 - Aug 16 by BlueBadger |
What was the strategy? |
Rotate while we're getting points. Finish fresh and strong. It went very badly wrong and didn't work. Didn't mean it wasn't a strategy. Just turned out to be the wrong. Could have and in many people's eyes should have cost him his job. Fair enough. It hasn't and I want us to to well next season rather than having these childish, self entitled and constant baby squawks telling us all how bad he is. Ironically also calling him PRP etc and going out about how he repeats himself constantly...The irony may be lost on you... | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:34 - Aug 16 with 3398 views | Bluefish |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:03 - Aug 16 by Terry_Nutkins |
Rotate while we're getting points. Finish fresh and strong. It went very badly wrong and didn't work. Didn't mean it wasn't a strategy. Just turned out to be the wrong. Could have and in many people's eyes should have cost him his job. Fair enough. It hasn't and I want us to to well next season rather than having these childish, self entitled and constant baby squawks telling us all how bad he is. Ironically also calling him PRP etc and going out about how he repeats himself constantly...The irony may be lost on you... |
Lambert out | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:45 - Aug 16 with 3382 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:34 - Aug 16 by Bluefish |
Lambert out |
You're pissing in the wind with the "Lambert out" stuff...despite there being plenty of arguments to support it.
Just support him and the team for the foreseeable and let's see where we are... get your "Lambert out" drum out again if we're struggling come Christmas.
There is no alternative. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 22:46]
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:05 - Aug 16 with 3354 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 17:07 - Aug 16 by BlueBadger |
What was the strategy? |
I think there was the strategy in terms of rotation with an idea behind. The biggest concern for me last year was a philosophy, I don’t think we had an idea on how we genuinely wanted to play.
I think the rotation of shape and personnel hindered significantly the ability to build a philosophy.
I don’t think we’ll see them same mistakes again, rotate, of course we will, it’s a heavy schedule, but formation and philosophy I’d like to see maintained throughout.
I think he’ll get it right this year, I could be wrong, been wrong before, will be wrong again.
There is no doubt I’ll be 100% behind the boys on opening day though. |  |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:14 - Aug 16 with 3336 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:45 - Aug 16 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
You're pissing in the wind with the "Lambert out" stuff...despite there being plenty of arguments to support it.
Just support him and the team for the foreseeable and let's see where we are... get your "Lambert out" drum out again if we're struggling come Christmas.
There is no alternative. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 22:46]
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He knows. He just gets off on it. It's become his thing. Imagine that being your thing. | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:21 - Aug 16 with 3331 views | Bramidan |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:05 - Aug 16 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think there was the strategy in terms of rotation with an idea behind. The biggest concern for me last year was a philosophy, I don’t think we had an idea on how we genuinely wanted to play.
I think the rotation of shape and personnel hindered significantly the ability to build a philosophy.
I don’t think we’ll see them same mistakes again, rotate, of course we will, it’s a heavy schedule, but formation and philosophy I’d like to see maintained throughout.
I think he’ll get it right this year, I could be wrong, been wrong before, will be wrong again.
There is no doubt I’ll be 100% behind the boys on opening day though. |
Wycombe have a strategy based on the players they have, both in terms of numbers and level of skill.
They know the system and it works for them.
The football is though poor and predictable.
So decide how we want to play, educate on the training field all of the squad. Pick your best team and stay with it unless there are injuries or loss of form.
Bring younger players on when we are looking comfortable and going to win.
Not rocket science is it? | | | |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:59 - Aug 16 with 3308 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 23:21 - Aug 16 by Bramidan |
Wycombe have a strategy based on the players they have, both in terms of numbers and level of skill.
They know the system and it works for them.
The football is though poor and predictable.
So decide how we want to play, educate on the training field all of the squad. Pick your best team and stay with it unless there are injuries or loss of form.
Bring younger players on when we are looking comfortable and going to win.
Not rocket science is it? |
I do think it’s important to find your identity and implement that, rather than look at others philosophies and adjust accordingly.
I want us to find our way of playing, and for teams to adjust to us.
I would like a settled formation, something that can be built upon over multiple years, preferably
4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
Rotation will used this used, especially with the schedule, but I want to see 2 or 3 now and again rather than 7/8 every week.
I think you need a core 16/17 players that can interchange, and the remaining to be fighting to get into that 17. | |
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| Strategy, structure and identity on 07:13 - Aug 17 with 3209 views | Herbivore |
| Strategy, structure and identity on 22:03 - Aug 16 by Terry_Nutkins |
Rotate while we're getting points. Finish fresh and strong. It went very badly wrong and didn't work. Didn't mean it wasn't a strategy. Just turned out to be the wrong. Could have and in many people's eyes should have cost him his job. Fair enough. It hasn't and I want us to to well next season rather than having these childish, self entitled and constant baby squawks telling us all how bad he is. Ironically also calling him PRP etc and going out about how he repeats himself constantly...The irony may be lost on you... |
Rotation, or Lambingo to give it its proper name, was symptomatic of a complete lack of strategy rather than being a strategy. | |
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