| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable 09:07 - May 31 with 1604 views | unbelievablue |
"One rail industry source estimated only about 20% of passenger services could run on affected days."
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 09:47 - May 31 with 1516 views | meekreech |
How unusual for the union to be calling for strike action before they enter into talks. Surely the correct way is to negotiate first. The 3 days a week union leadership has no understanding of what real workers have to undergo when they are unable to attend the workplace due to pointless strutting by a selfish group. It is surely time unions connected to national services, such as police or firefighters, should have their powers to hold the nation to ransom curtailed and made an offence to call for strike action without 100% of the union members voting, preferably to be overseen by independent officials. This is not about pay and conditions, or even jobs , but is an attempt to cause disruption in a political way. As with all industries and services jobs will be lost with the advancement of technology, having been through this myself, it is a fact of life and cannot be ignored however much we try. When the union leaders come down from their lofty 6 figure salary perches and see what life is like in the real world they may be able to see sense. |  |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:24 - May 31 with 1464 views | hatch |
I am.
Can’t say too much but internally we expect action to be announced today or tomorrow for possibly 14/15th June (as initial dates but clearly this will rumble on).
My TOC will barely be running a service so even 20% could be generous. I would plan to expect ‘do not travel’ notices. It’s going to be mayhem.
I’ll keep quiet on my views on the politics behind the action itself. All I will say is the government bailed us out £16bn in covid and we were able to keep everyone’s jobs secure, we now have about 60% patronage that we had pre covid and owe £16bn. No company can sustain that so change will be inevitable but it can still be positive change. [Post edited 31 May 2022 10:27]
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:25 - May 31 with 1449 views | unbelievablue |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:24 - May 31 by hatch |
I am.
Can’t say too much but internally we expect action to be announced today or tomorrow for possibly 14/15th June (as initial dates but clearly this will rumble on).
My TOC will barely be running a service so even 20% could be generous. I would plan to expect ‘do not travel’ notices. It’s going to be mayhem.
I’ll keep quiet on my views on the politics behind the action itself. All I will say is the government bailed us out £16bn in covid and we were able to keep everyone’s jobs secure, we now have about 60% patronage that we had pre covid and owe £16bn. No company can sustain that so change will be inevitable but it can still be positive change. [Post edited 31 May 2022 10:27]
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Thanks, good to know.
TFL involved do you know? | |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:27 - May 31 with 1427 views | wkj |
You should ask your non train-riding friend. |  |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:31 - May 31 with 1415 views | hatch |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:25 - May 31 by unbelievablue |
Thanks, good to know.
TFL involved do you know? |
They have a separate mandate for strike action for different reasons. They have action that will heavily impact Monday and Tuesday next week initially and I would strongly advise not to travel. It’s underground only but we’ve seen it before and other services will be rammed. | | | |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:48 - May 31 with 1370 views | giant_stow |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:24 - May 31 by hatch |
I am.
Can’t say too much but internally we expect action to be announced today or tomorrow for possibly 14/15th June (as initial dates but clearly this will rumble on).
My TOC will barely be running a service so even 20% could be generous. I would plan to expect ‘do not travel’ notices. It’s going to be mayhem.
I’ll keep quiet on my views on the politics behind the action itself. All I will say is the government bailed us out £16bn in covid and we were able to keep everyone’s jobs secure, we now have about 60% patronage that we had pre covid and owe £16bn. No company can sustain that so change will be inevitable but it can still be positive change. [Post edited 31 May 2022 10:27]
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Interesting to get an insider view - ta and agree with what I think you're implying in your final paragraph.
I've ranted on about this before, so will save everyone another bout of that, except to say that if this strike goes ahead, I think it could kill train travel in this country and possibly even the union movement. |  |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 14:38 - May 31 with 1185 views | hatch |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 10:48 - May 31 by giant_stow |
Interesting to get an insider view - ta and agree with what I think you're implying in your final paragraph.
I've ranted on about this before, so will save everyone another bout of that, except to say that if this strike goes ahead, I think it could kill train travel in this country and possibly even the union movement. |
I'm actually supportive of trade unions and their purpose (I am senior management so not unionised myself).
However, I do sometimes question the railway approach. To be fair, it has worked in the past hence why the pay rates in the railway are far more competitive than other industries. But I do feel uncomfortable that key workers and NHS staff in particular are going to have their journey to work made nigh impossible after all they have suffered in the past few years and yet they're far more underpaid than a rail employee.
Word I'm hearing on the ground from my discussions is that many voted for strike action as they felt they had to 'as they're part of the union' but all those I've spoken to since the result are worried about industrial action and don't want to lose out on pay during a cost of living crisis. I'm not convinced members were given the full details on what they're voting for and I have genuine concern for the wellbeing of the staff in my department. 51% of eligible voters in my TOC voted for action, so 49% of colleagues don't necessarily want it. Concerning times for everyone.
The problem you also face is that those colleagues that don't want to lose pay and voted against action will be frustrated. This will then mean they likely leave the union, but this then decreases the pool of members voting AGAINST action and so next ballot I suspect the vote in favour will increase but there'll be a reduction in votes. | | | |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 15:09 - May 31 with 1139 views | HARRY10 |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 09:47 - May 31 by meekreech |
How unusual for the union to be calling for strike action before they enter into talks. Surely the correct way is to negotiate first. The 3 days a week union leadership has no understanding of what real workers have to undergo when they are unable to attend the workplace due to pointless strutting by a selfish group. It is surely time unions connected to national services, such as police or firefighters, should have their powers to hold the nation to ransom curtailed and made an offence to call for strike action without 100% of the union members voting, preferably to be overseen by independent officials. This is not about pay and conditions, or even jobs , but is an attempt to cause disruption in a political way. As with all industries and services jobs will be lost with the advancement of technology, having been through this myself, it is a fact of life and cannot be ignored however much we try. When the union leaders come down from their lofty 6 figure salary perches and see what life is like in the real world they may be able to see sense. |
What utter, utter nonsense !
If they are supposedly 'holding the nation to ransome' then it might occur to cap doffers that their job IS important.
Employees should have the right to withdraw their labour as they see fit - something their employers are doing.
The sad reality is it is not so much the incompetent rail companies, as lick spittles peddling their lies which are the real problem - by using emotive language that all too readily ape the Daily Mails attack on the supposed EU ban on markings on pint glasses and attacks on Sue Gray. | | | |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 16:46 - May 31 with 1088 views | longtimefan |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 15:09 - May 31 by HARRY10 |
What utter, utter nonsense !
If they are supposedly 'holding the nation to ransome' then it might occur to cap doffers that their job IS important.
Employees should have the right to withdraw their labour as they see fit - something their employers are doing.
The sad reality is it is not so much the incompetent rail companies, as lick spittles peddling their lies which are the real problem - by using emotive language that all too readily ape the Daily Mails attack on the supposed EU ban on markings on pint glasses and attacks on Sue Gray. |
'holding the nation to ransome'
Do they have a thing for children's literature then? | | | |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 17:55 - May 31 with 1021 views | giant_stow |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 14:38 - May 31 by hatch |
I'm actually supportive of trade unions and their purpose (I am senior management so not unionised myself).
However, I do sometimes question the railway approach. To be fair, it has worked in the past hence why the pay rates in the railway are far more competitive than other industries. But I do feel uncomfortable that key workers and NHS staff in particular are going to have their journey to work made nigh impossible after all they have suffered in the past few years and yet they're far more underpaid than a rail employee.
Word I'm hearing on the ground from my discussions is that many voted for strike action as they felt they had to 'as they're part of the union' but all those I've spoken to since the result are worried about industrial action and don't want to lose out on pay during a cost of living crisis. I'm not convinced members were given the full details on what they're voting for and I have genuine concern for the wellbeing of the staff in my department. 51% of eligible voters in my TOC voted for action, so 49% of colleagues don't necessarily want it. Concerning times for everyone.
The problem you also face is that those colleagues that don't want to lose pay and voted against action will be frustrated. This will then mean they likely leave the union, but this then decreases the pool of members voting AGAINST action and so next ballot I suspect the vote in favour will increase but there'll be a reduction in votes. |
The genuine insight is appreciated, especially the impact on the 'no to strikes' voters / effect on future votes. I really hope this doesn't turn into a long bitter dispute. | |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 19:18 - May 31 with 946 views | BlueNote |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 09:47 - May 31 by meekreech |
How unusual for the union to be calling for strike action before they enter into talks. Surely the correct way is to negotiate first. The 3 days a week union leadership has no understanding of what real workers have to undergo when they are unable to attend the workplace due to pointless strutting by a selfish group. It is surely time unions connected to national services, such as police or firefighters, should have their powers to hold the nation to ransom curtailed and made an offence to call for strike action without 100% of the union members voting, preferably to be overseen by independent officials. This is not about pay and conditions, or even jobs , but is an attempt to cause disruption in a political way. As with all industries and services jobs will be lost with the advancement of technology, having been through this myself, it is a fact of life and cannot be ignored however much we try. When the union leaders come down from their lofty 6 figure salary perches and see what life is like in the real world they may be able to see sense. |
Do you write for the Daily Mail?
More power to the unions and more power to the workers |  | | |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 19:41 - May 31 with 921 views | solomon |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 19:18 - May 31 by BlueNote |
Do you write for the Daily Mail?
More power to the unions and more power to the workers |
This is the thing though, wether you agree with industrial action or not, the government is trying to create a society where protesting is to be made illegal. Should we let our country head down this path where pretty much everyone who’s not a millionaire or considerably wealthy will be adversely affected by not being able to protest or stand up for your basic rights. Be under no illusions this government hate all of us that are not one of them. Too many naive people are being misled by those in power, pretty soon they will realise they are in deep trouble and there won’t be a thing they can do about it. |  | | |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 19:44 - May 31 with 914 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 09:47 - May 31 by meekreech |
How unusual for the union to be calling for strike action before they enter into talks. Surely the correct way is to negotiate first. The 3 days a week union leadership has no understanding of what real workers have to undergo when they are unable to attend the workplace due to pointless strutting by a selfish group. It is surely time unions connected to national services, such as police or firefighters, should have their powers to hold the nation to ransom curtailed and made an offence to call for strike action without 100% of the union members voting, preferably to be overseen by independent officials. This is not about pay and conditions, or even jobs , but is an attempt to cause disruption in a political way. As with all industries and services jobs will be lost with the advancement of technology, having been through this myself, it is a fact of life and cannot be ignored however much we try. When the union leaders come down from their lofty 6 figure salary perches and see what life is like in the real world they may be able to see sense. |
That’s one way to look at it! The other could be that unions offer workers the only option to collectively stand up to unscrupulous employers.
A 100% threshold would kill any Union actions. The Tories introduced a 50% threshold not that long ago and that’s had a pretty devastating effect. We’ve just lost 30% of our pensions but failed (just) to hit the 50%, so it’s a case of tough sh*t, unilateral changes, no comebacks, have 30% less than you were planning when you retire.
At a time when companies are posting quarterly profits in the £billions and workers are using food banks, Unions don’t seem to be the biggest problem. |  |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 20:09 - May 31 with 865 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 19:44 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s one way to look at it! The other could be that unions offer workers the only option to collectively stand up to unscrupulous employers.
A 100% threshold would kill any Union actions. The Tories introduced a 50% threshold not that long ago and that’s had a pretty devastating effect. We’ve just lost 30% of our pensions but failed (just) to hit the 50%, so it’s a case of tough sh*t, unilateral changes, no comebacks, have 30% less than you were planning when you retire.
At a time when companies are posting quarterly profits in the £billions and workers are using food banks, Unions don’t seem to be the biggest problem. |
It's a race to the bottom! |  |
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| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 23:10 - May 31 with 764 views | Coastalblue |
| Any Network Rail/Train Company employees on here? Strike sounds inevitable on 20:09 - May 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It's a race to the bottom! |
and we're winning |  |
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