| Djokovic visa cancelled on 13:47 - Jan 6 with 1460 views | Herbivore |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 13:40 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Not really sure how you come to that conclusion really, its a big deal for both clearly
Tbh it’s an impossible task weighing up things that can’t really be quantified, but to counter your point I could easily point out that for Djokovic he can feasibly just win the next tournament whereas it’s unlikely that the Australian Open will have the chance for a player to set such a record at their tournament for some time, if ever |
I come to that conclusion because Djokovic losing the opportunity to win a 10th Aussie Open and become the outright most successful men's player in terms of Slam wins has a significant impact on him, especially as he is reaching the twilight of his career. By contrast, Djokovic not playing has less of an impact on the Aussie Open. I doubt they'll lose sponsorship or many viewers, I doubt people will be sending back tickets in their thousands because Djokovic won't be playing. The impact is clearly less significant on the tournament than it is on Djokovic. You could even make the case that the publicity this has generated has brought a lot to attention to what is often the least covered of the four Slams outside Australia. Clearly you disagree, but that's how I've reached my conclusion. |  |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 13:54 - Jan 6 with 1449 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 08:53 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I always think, no matter how bad things get at least I'm not Laurence Fox. |
I always think "No matter how bad visits to relatives at Christmas are, at least I'm not Richard Ayoade having to make polite conversation with Laurence Fox whilst passing him the Brussels Sprouts."
Edited to a plant-based food option as replying to Herbivore. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 13:55]
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 14:04 - Jan 6 with 1405 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 13:47 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I come to that conclusion because Djokovic losing the opportunity to win a 10th Aussie Open and become the outright most successful men's player in terms of Slam wins has a significant impact on him, especially as he is reaching the twilight of his career. By contrast, Djokovic not playing has less of an impact on the Aussie Open. I doubt they'll lose sponsorship or many viewers, I doubt people will be sending back tickets in their thousands because Djokovic won't be playing. The impact is clearly less significant on the tournament than it is on Djokovic. You could even make the case that the publicity this has generated has brought a lot to attention to what is often the least covered of the four Slams outside Australia. Clearly you disagree, but that's how I've reached my conclusion. |
“The Australian open is the least covered of the slams, but it’s not a big deal for them not to have the number one mens player in their tournament going for the all time slams record” |  |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 15:47 - Jan 6 with 1342 views | Herbivore |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 14:04 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“The Australian open is the least covered of the slams, but it’s not a big deal for them not to have the number one mens player in their tournament going for the all time slams record” |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 16:56 - Jan 6 with 1290 views | Bluroo |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 10:33 - Jan 6 by IPS_wich |
You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
Australia (and NZ) locked down to enable the population to get vaccinated. As of today, 91.5% of Australians over 16 are doubled jabbed and 91.5% of over 16 have had at least one jab.
The country is also opening up at a time when a far less severe strain (Omicron) is the dominant virus globally.
To suggest that Australia has simply postponed the same level of deaths it would have had if not for the lockdown is ludicrous. The country has opened up to a less severe disease with over 90% of the population vaccinated.
Sure, some people will (and have already) died since the country has started to open up, but at a far far lower level than would have been the case 18 months ago.
But let’s just test your comparison with Sweden.
Sweden has had 1.38m Covid cases with 15,369 deaths - a rate of 1.12% of cases ending in death.
Australia has had 609k Covid cases with 2,271 deaths - a rate of 0.37% of cases ending in death.
In fact the UK has a death rate of 1.07% - better than Swedens.
If you had said we postponed people catching Covid by 12 months - then I’d agree with you. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 10:35]
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You need to wait 2 years before you have Aus data to fairly compare. | | | |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 18:16 - Jan 6 with 1248 views | jeera |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 16:56 - Jan 6 by Bluroo |
You need to wait 2 years before you have Aus data to fairly compare. |
That doesn't support your other post. |  |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 18:45 - Jan 6 with 1229 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What is the risk that he is posing to Australia?
Edit...is it that he might catch omicron like our test cricket staff and players? [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 19:02]
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 19:50 - Jan 6 with 1170 views | jas0999 |
Not a popular view I know, but folk are entitled to reject the vaccine. It’s a fact. We can debate it all day long.
BUT if you reject it, live with the consequences of the decision. Those that don’t want the vaccine may find life is restricted for them, and in Novaks case, he won’t be able to compete in a grand slam tennis tournament. Australia have their rules. Fact.
Personally, load me up. If there is another booster - I’m in. Those that don’t want it - fine. But they will have to play by the restrictions and rules which go with the decision. | | | |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 19:54 - Jan 6 with 1168 views | BlueBadger |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 10:15 - Jan 6 by vilanovablue |
The Swedish record isn't a great example if you compare there figures with their Scandi neighbours they have in fact done a lot worse. |
Per capita, the have almost as bad a death rate as us. |  |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 22:09 - Jan 6 with 1094 views | eireblue |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 18:45 - Jan 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is the risk that he is posing to Australia?
Edit...is it that he might catch omicron like our test cricket staff and players? [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 19:02]
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Hmmm, I am not sure a that a person with an anarchist leaning is going to fully appreciate a response invoking the logical rationale centred around the central tenant of “them’s the rules”. |  | | |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 22:17 - Jan 6 with 1072 views | XYZ |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 18:45 - Jan 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is the risk that he is posing to Australia?
Edit...is it that he might catch omicron like our test cricket staff and players? [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 19:02]
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Currently it appears that he's an illegal immigrant/ visitor.
He should be grateful he's not being treated the way Australia treat many people in a similar position.
As an aside, aussie border police are the most humourless people on earth. | | | |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 22:36 - Jan 6 with 1050 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 22:09 - Jan 6 by eireblue |
Hmmm, I am not sure a that a person with an anarchist leaning is going to fully appreciate a response invoking the logical rationale centred around the central tenant of “them’s the rules”. |
I guess I must just have O.D.D. I'm sure there must be a pill that will sort it out. | |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 22:42 - Jan 6 with 1044 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Nadal nailed it. It is sad that Djokovic won't be there, but he knew the rules and if he wanted to be there he could be.
I am quite sure the tournament would like him to be there, he wants to be there but not to take the vaccine. The government (unlike the British Government) do not treat him as above the rules. |  |
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| Djokovic visa cancelled on 04:13 - Jan 7 with 932 views | IPS_wich |
| Djokovic visa cancelled on 16:56 - Jan 6 by Bluroo |
You need to wait 2 years before you have Aus data to fairly compare. |
That’s why I used death rates - because they are comparable. If I did total deaths or total cases then you are right we need longer, but the death rate isn’t biased by the timeframes.
My argument is that holding off the virus whilst getting the population vaccinated means less people will die - and the data emphatically proves that to be true. Over the course of the pandemic 1 in 300 people who get Covid in Australia die from it compared to about 1 in 90 in the uk and 1 in 85 in Sweden. | | | |
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