| Oh dear Cornwall on 00:48 - Aug 25 with 5758 views | jeera |
That aside, sort of, why are 2nd and 3rd homes not taxed to the hilt when those buying up properties in popular resort areas are forcing hardship, real hardship, onto local people?
All the pretty modest seaside towns have become the weekend playground of stupidly rich folk.
To think there's effectively a whole class been created through the greed of others.
And how it's been not only allowed, but encouraged to happen. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 08:35 - Aug 25 with 5516 views | ITFC_Forever |
People don't realise how poor a county Cornwall is.
There are kids in towns in Cornwall that have grown up having never seen the sea. Some of those towns are less than 10 miles from the coast. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 08:39 - Aug 25 with 5494 views | Herbivore |
Something about turkeys and Christmas. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 09:40 - Aug 25 with 5420 views | MattinLondon |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 08:35 - Aug 25 by ITFC_Forever |
People don't realise how poor a county Cornwall is.
There are kids in towns in Cornwall that have grown up having never seen the sea. Some of those towns are less than 10 miles from the coast. |
Isn’t there a growing independence movement there? Or a want for some sort of devolution? |  | | |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 09:45 - Aug 25 with 5399 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 09:40 - Aug 25 by MattinLondon |
Isn’t there a growing independence movement there? Or a want for some sort of devolution? |
It's always been there, but I think as the gap between the rich and the poor parts of the country grow, the independence / devolution support is gaining more traction.
I have family down there and while they've always tolerated tourists, their patience with their behaviour (from sheer loutery to the second home buying) is wearing very thin - and the COVID situation has accelerated this. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 11:54 - Aug 25 with 5321 views | azuremerlangus |
Having spent most of the 90's living in Torpoint (only just in Cornwall I know) I find the view about this in the south west of the country still contradictory; complain when tourism is struggling but moan about/rip-off tourists when they come, fiercely passionate (darkest Cornwall anyway) about being independent from the rest of the UK but this doesn't extend to being financially independent...
That political annoyance aside I love the place and the people - would move back at the drop of a hat. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 11:59 - Aug 25 with 5303 views | GeoffSentence |
Putting aside the irony of them losing out by voting for brexit, there is a need to invest in the country at large rather than focus on London. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:11 - Aug 25 with 5276 views | Herbivore |
Bullard in a China Shop - Jimmy Bullard gets put in charge of one of the UK's top fine china retailers, with hilarious consequences. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:17 - Aug 25 with 5260 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:11 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Bullard in a China Shop - Jimmy Bullard gets put in charge of one of the UK's top fine china retailers, with hilarious consequences. |
That is a spectacular thread miss! :-) |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:19 - Aug 25 with 5252 views | Herbivore |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:17 - Aug 25 by Ewan_Oozami |
That is a spectacular thread miss! :-) |
Oh yeah! I'm going to leave it up. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:32 - Aug 25 with 5220 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 11:59 - Aug 25 by GeoffSentence |
Putting aside the irony of them losing out by voting for brexit, there is a need to invest in the country at large rather than focus on London. |
Unfortunately it's a case of divide and rule when it comes to the regions.
Scotland has 5 million people so a lot more clout but it's still 5 million "against" 60 million and all that implies. Cornwall with its 500K population has next to no chance.
But the regions and their 40-odd million population could easily fight the centralised power in the South East if they got their act together. A more regional and local focus would of course help a great many in the South-East and even London too.
But we collectively seem to be happy to let power lie in a very narrow and already prosperous tranche of society. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:56 - Aug 25 with 5175 views | tractordownsouth |
Not sure about this Spruce. I know we shot ourselves in the foot by voting to leave as one of the biggest receipients of EU funding, but I think it's fair to ask central government to make up the money as part of the £350m a week that was promised.
Although we won't get it of course and our 6 Tory MPs that voted to make their constituents poorer will look for someone else to blame. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 13:20 - Aug 25 with 5124 views | giant_stow |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:56 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
Not sure about this Spruce. I know we shot ourselves in the foot by voting to leave as one of the biggest receipients of EU funding, but I think it's fair to ask central government to make up the money as part of the £350m a week that was promised.
Although we won't get it of course and our 6 Tory MPs that voted to make their constituents poorer will look for someone else to blame. |
Maybe Cornish leave voters need to see the result of their damaging votes and live it, rather than plead for money that could be spent in areas that didn't cause this mess?
I'm with Spruce on this personally. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 13:34 - Aug 25 with 5100 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:56 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
Not sure about this Spruce. I know we shot ourselves in the foot by voting to leave as one of the biggest receipients of EU funding, but I think it's fair to ask central government to make up the money as part of the £350m a week that was promised.
Although we won't get it of course and our 6 Tory MPs that voted to make their constituents poorer will look for someone else to blame. |
It's more than fair to ask the government to make up the shortfall.
As one of only three NET contributors to the EU budget, any grants we received from the EU was already money we had paid in. Now we have left that money should be spent by central government.
If it isn't then I believe that it is a massive betrayal. [Post edited 25 Aug 2020 14:10]
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 14:48 - Aug 25 with 5033 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 13:20 - Aug 25 by giant_stow |
Maybe Cornish leave voters need to see the result of their damaging votes and live it, rather than plead for money that could be spent in areas that didn't cause this mess?
I'm with Spruce on this personally. |
If more money had been spent in areas such as ours, then we probably wouldn't have voted to leave in the first place. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:01 - Aug 25 with 5009 views | Herbivore |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 14:48 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
If more money had been spent in areas such as ours, then we probably wouldn't have voted to leave in the first place. |
Although the EU was putting money in, and it seems a strange response to a lack of funding from central government to vote to leave an organisation that is supporting you in order to give more power to one that isn't. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:05 - Aug 25 with 4991 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:01 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Although the EU was putting money in, and it seems a strange response to a lack of funding from central government to vote to leave an organisation that is supporting you in order to give more power to one that isn't. |
Can we clarify that as only one of three NET contributors to the EU budget (alongside France and Germany), the EU did not support any of our regions in any way as it was our own funds coming back.
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:17 - Aug 25 with 4961 views | hampstead_blue |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 12:56 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
Not sure about this Spruce. I know we shot ourselves in the foot by voting to leave as one of the biggest receipients of EU funding, but I think it's fair to ask central government to make up the money as part of the £350m a week that was promised.
Although we won't get it of course and our 6 Tory MPs that voted to make their constituents poorer will look for someone else to blame. |
I think it's a fair ask.
In a post-EU UK there will be a certain amount of rebalancing. This is one of those.
One big thing to help would be superfast broadband.
Good connectivity and infrastructure could very well drive investment West.
Hopefully when Brexit has finally happened and the new fishery laws are in place, the fishing industry can enjoy bigger catches. |  |
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Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:20 - Aug 25 with 4955 views | Keno |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 13:34 - Aug 25 by GlasgowBlue |
It's more than fair to ask the government to make up the shortfall.
As one of only three NET contributors to the EU budget, any grants we received from the EU was already money we had paid in. Now we have left that money should be spent by central government.
If it isn't then I believe that it is a massive betrayal. [Post edited 25 Aug 2020 14:10]
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"Now we have left that money should be spent by central government"
you mean spaffing it on spurious deals to Dom's mates and their iffy non existent ferries or trying to bride Ulster political parties into supporting them?
PS I am teasing you |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:24 - Aug 25 with 4946 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:01 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Although the EU was putting money in, and it seems a strange response to a lack of funding from central government to vote to leave an organisation that is supporting you in order to give more power to one that isn't. |
I agree completely and I think we were turkeys voting for Christmas. But people who experience underinvestment and apathy are far more likely to be taken in by campaigns like Vote Leave and I don't think it's unfair to demand our funding be replaced, as promised by the Leave side in the referendum. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:25 - Aug 25 with 4934 views | Herbivore |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:05 - Aug 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Can we clarify that as only one of three NET contributors to the EU budget (alongside France and Germany), the EU did not support any of our regions in any way as it was our own funds coming back.
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It seemed to be doing a better job of dedistributing our cash to where it was needed than we were able to manage. | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:33 - Aug 25 with 4894 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:24 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
I agree completely and I think we were turkeys voting for Christmas. But people who experience underinvestment and apathy are far more likely to be taken in by campaigns like Vote Leave and I don't think it's unfair to demand our funding be replaced, as promised by the Leave side in the referendum. |
To be fair, if the Boris and the Brexiteers promised the Cornish they wouldn't be any worse off, you can't blame them for asking for the money.
And I say that as a staunch Remainer.... it's another example of Boris failing.... | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:49 - Aug 25 with 4867 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:33 - Aug 25 by ITFC_Forever |
To be fair, if the Boris and the Brexiteers promised the Cornish they wouldn't be any worse off, you can't blame them for asking for the money.
And I say that as a staunch Remainer.... it's another example of Boris failing.... |
Exactly - contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned *
* Trademark James O'Brien | |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:57 - Aug 25 with 4836 views | LeoMuff |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 14:48 - Aug 25 by tractordownsouth |
If more money had been spent in areas such as ours, then we probably wouldn't have voted to leave in the first place. |
Absolutely tons of EU money came into Cornwall, every new infrastructure project had the flag on it and lots of businesses as well.
Cornwall was truly bonkers to vote as it did, but they have form Redruth and Camborne, st Austell, Bodmin hugely deprived and voting Tory. |  |
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| Oh dear Cornwall on 16:08 - Aug 25 with 4821 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oh dear Cornwall on 15:57 - Aug 25 by LeoMuff |
Absolutely tons of EU money came into Cornwall, every new infrastructure project had the flag on it and lots of businesses as well.
Cornwall was truly bonkers to vote as it did, but they have form Redruth and Camborne, st Austell, Bodmin hugely deprived and voting Tory. |
I agree completely, just think it's reasonable to ask for our funding to be replaced by central government, as Boris and others promised that in 2016.
The political scene has changed very quickly down here. The Lib Dems won every seat in 2005 but by 2015 it was all blue and hasn't changed since. North Cornwall, South East Cornwall and St Austell/Newquay are all safe Tory seats now with majorities of 15000+. Truro and Falmouth was the only remain constituency and is the closest with a 4000 majority so will probably flip to Labour, but the only realistic chance the Lib Dems have these days is in my home seat of St Ives, where they're 4000 behind. Was always going to be hard for them to recover post 2015 in a Brexit voting stronghold. | |
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