| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE 20:38 - Apr 3 with 138281 views | greyhound |
Happy Easter one and all.
Hold on to your hats and refresh every 5 minutes throughout Wednesday and Thursday, the deals been done and completion confirmed.
As Paul Cook hinted we are in for a very exciting summer. Its dragged on but now we can focus onwards and upwards.
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:37 - Apr 6 with 4027 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:04 - Apr 6 by BlueBorn86 |
Greyhound must be getting a twitchy bottom reading this Phil. |
Looking for the “deactivate account” button as we speak I believe.... |  | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:49 - Apr 6 with 3931 views | PhilTWTD |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:31 - Apr 6 by Metal_Hacker |
Sorry Phil not disputing he was at Rochdale as I've seen the pics , I was simply saying I doubt very much he'd just drive to Rochdale to say his farewells assuming the TO is happening which you suggest it isn't anyway |
Didn't take your post to be disputing what was said, just generally adding to the thread on ME's at least fairly regular attendance at away games. |  | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:50 - Apr 6 with 3913 views | PhilTWTD |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:34 - Apr 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Even you had come on in defence, we still wouldn't have been able to score!! |
I'd have given the own goals total a significant boost. | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:51 - Apr 6 with 3897 views | PhilTWTD |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:29 - Apr 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The one in Vauxhall? Remember it well as it was on my cycle route to work. Someone on the ground was killed as well as the pilot. Thankfully I missed it by about half an hour. |
Yes, think it would have been that one. | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:57 - Apr 6 with 3818 views | JackSted |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:29 - Apr 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The one in Vauxhall? Remember it well as it was on my cycle route to work. Someone on the ground was killed as well as the pilot. Thankfully I missed it by about half an hour. |
Crazy when you think about things like that. I was nearly at the London Bridge terror attack. Luckily I wasnt chosen by my boss to work that Saturday but if I had I would've been walking over the bridge as it happened.
My colleague, who was chosen to work, was going to go into Borough market to watch the football but he decided to get the underground home instead |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:01 - Apr 6 with 3772 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:57 - Apr 6 by JackSted |
Crazy when you think about things like that. I was nearly at the London Bridge terror attack. Luckily I wasnt chosen by my boss to work that Saturday but if I had I would've been walking over the bridge as it happened.
My colleague, who was chosen to work, was going to go into Borough market to watch the football but he decided to get the underground home instead |
It’s horrible to think that it’s just pure luck whether you’re in these events or not.
I had a train ticket for that London Bridge attack that would’ve meant I walked out the station amid the attack. Plenty that died that day had come from Epsom racecourse. I was supposed to be there but went the day before instead to the Oaks rather than the Derby.
My best friend had a ticket for the Ariana Grande concert that was the Manchester terror attack. She didn’t go though thankfully.
It’s a scary world to think like that how everyone will have had near misses to some level. It’s a luck of the draw world and it’s terrifying to think about. |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:06 - Apr 6 with 3736 views | Ryorry |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:34 - Apr 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Even you had come on in defence, we still wouldn't have been able to score!! |
Given our 0 shots on target yesterday, the Rochdale keeper might as well have gone up & played in their midfield or attack! |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:11 - Apr 6 with 3683 views | hammo56 |
A friend of mine was booked on the MS Herald of Free Enterprise and would have been on it when it capsized. Her son was taken ill the day before the sailing from Zeebrugge and she therefore cancelled the booking.
I'm no believer but it does make you wonder sometimes if there is somebody watching over us. | | | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:12 - Apr 6 with 3663 views | Ryorry |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:24 - Apr 6 by PhilTWTD |
Press box, directors' box and subs bench were essentially the same yesterday so there was no hiding place then. I was so close to the Rochdale subs there was a danger of me being given a couple of minutes at the end. |
Well you could have done any worse as a striker than our supposed "professsionals"! In fact as a decoy, no-one would have taken you seriously & you'd probably have scored ... | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:14 - Apr 6 with 3640 views | J2BLUE |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 15:34 - Apr 6 by N2_Blue |
Apology accepted and I'm also sorry if i have misquoated you or got your stance wrong.
Please note I don't troll and neither am I trying to deliberately antagonise you. I'm not a heavy poster here but would have hoped I'd posted enough for you not to see that...look at my posting history if in any doubt.
However I do I think you are way too hopeful on this takeover and seem overly expectant by that. Nothing wrong of course in that and some would say what's the point in anything if not to have hope. I just have massive reservations but that is only my opinion. Also i'm no Evans apologist or fan. I do appreciate how much he puts in each year, which could be as much or more even than any new backers will put in, but his decision making has killed this club. That we can all agree on I think?
From what i have been told nothing is likely to happen until Town's divisional status is confirmed, the valuation between Evans and buyer are way out currently...also related to divisional status and i have no reason not to believe what I've been told. But no one knows for sure, we all relying on various sources and hearsay
However even if something does go through, if you are thinking "wow I might see Town win something reasonable in my lifetime now" i think you are going to be disappointed. This is a consortium without a huge amount of money behind it. They are not the Abu Dhabi group, oil wealthy backers or Chinese investors etc with bagfuls of disposable income.
We would be relying on them making decent decisions and putting a good structure in place more than throwing the cash about. I hope for all Town fans hopes that this has the happy ending we all want, but i just don't think a huge amount will change in the short term even if Evans does sell to Gamechanger 20. |
Thank you. Apology accepted as well.
I might be overly expectant but i'm not actually thinking that Gamechangers would come in and throw money at it until it worked. Evans' decision making and refusal to change his "strategy" have led us to where we are, I completely agree. What excites me about this is the thought of a full time CEO coming in with football experience who can run the club properly. From what Phil has posted in the past Evans will not change because he sees this as a personal challenge. That terrifies me because if he doesn't sell then we're destined for more of what we've had from him with no end in sight and no sign he will ever learn from his mistakes. I don't hate the man. I don't wish him any harm. I just want him to accept his investment gamble failed and get out.
As for the investment side of things I think Evans has used the money he has invested terribly. He has wasted millions trusting the wrong managers, refused to back the good one he had and his general running of the club has been a disgrace. He's inconsistent, for example turning down £7m for McGoldrick and then selling Murphy for £3m. He regularly sells off assets which are then replaced with vastly inferior players before making a stand on a player like McGoldrick when everyone would have accepted him going IF the money was given to the manager to reinvest. I think people give Evans far too much credit. Yes he's put some money in but half his trouble is the scattergun approach he takes. There's no clear strategy. How many top strikers have Peterborough sold in the last decade before replacing them with an even better one? I genuinely don't think we need an owner to pump in millions each season if there is some sort of plan. I look at other clubs with smaller crowds and they never seem to need millions pumped in by the owner. I'm not talking about the recently relegated either. Much of Evans' investment is to cover up his own incompetence. There is no strategy. It all seems decided on an individual basis. Another thing is the amount of players we lose on frees. It could all be managed so much more effectively. I would like to know the true amount Evans has put in on average for the decade up to the end of the 18/19 season. I'm not sure it's as much as people think (see Mings sale etc) and there's every chance we could have made up a vast amount of that money that he's put in through managing the club more effectively. We have a massive squad right now. So much dead money that really shouldn't be needed. I just want a competent owner/CEO with power to run the club. Evans is never going to delegate that power and seems incapable of coming up with a plan.
I cannot believe that Gamechangers have looked at the club and seen anything but a ticket to the Premier League. I'm not suggesting they would come in and throw a fortune at it but you would think getting us back to challenging the top half of the Championship is an easy win for an owner with any competence whatsoever. I really can't see GC coming in and slashing costs and skimming some of the very limited profits which would come from that method. The true riches are in the Premier League. This club has so much potential. I have a mate who frequently lies about football for some reason. He told me we got 29,000 for a division one game in 2003. I assumed he was lying but when I checked this club really did get nearly thirty thousand in division one after we were relegated. The potential is massive. We need a little investment, a plan and clear direction and some competent people to run the club. I just can't believe GC want the club to have us make a tiny profit in the lower leagues. It wouldn't make any sense. My comment about winning a cup is pure hope, of course it is. Right now, honestly, do you have any hope we'll ever see the Premier League again under Evans? If you do, do you still have that hope if he refuses to delegate power and carries on running things as he does?
You said it yourself. His decision making is killing the club. I was annoyed Blue Action put reform on the banner because I think Evans will use that against us but if there was GENUINE reform. If Evans appointed a good board and a proper football CEO to run the club and provided them with a budget and didn't interfere with the running of the club then i'd be much more willing to give Evans another chance. It's not happening. A sale is our only way out of this. [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 17:19]
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:16 - Apr 6 with 3601 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:14 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
Thank you. Apology accepted as well.
I might be overly expectant but i'm not actually thinking that Gamechangers would come in and throw money at it until it worked. Evans' decision making and refusal to change his "strategy" have led us to where we are, I completely agree. What excites me about this is the thought of a full time CEO coming in with football experience who can run the club properly. From what Phil has posted in the past Evans will not change because he sees this as a personal challenge. That terrifies me because if he doesn't sell then we're destined for more of what we've had from him with no end in sight and no sign he will ever learn from his mistakes. I don't hate the man. I don't wish him any harm. I just want him to accept his investment gamble failed and get out.
As for the investment side of things I think Evans has used the money he has invested terribly. He has wasted millions trusting the wrong managers, refused to back the good one he had and his general running of the club has been a disgrace. He's inconsistent, for example turning down £7m for McGoldrick and then selling Murphy for £3m. He regularly sells off assets which are then replaced with vastly inferior players before making a stand on a player like McGoldrick when everyone would have accepted him going IF the money was given to the manager to reinvest. I think people give Evans far too much credit. Yes he's put some money in but half his trouble is the scattergun approach he takes. There's no clear strategy. How many top strikers have Peterborough sold in the last decade before replacing them with an even better one? I genuinely don't think we need an owner to pump in millions each season if there is some sort of plan. I look at other clubs with smaller crowds and they never seem to need millions pumped in by the owner. I'm not talking about the recently relegated either. Much of Evans' investment is to cover up his own incompetence. There is no strategy. It all seems decided on an individual basis. Another thing is the amount of players we lose on frees. It could all be managed so much more effectively. I would like to know the true amount Evans has put in on average for the decade up to the end of the 18/19 season. I'm not sure it's as much as people think (see Mings sale etc) and there's every chance we could have made up a vast amount of that money that he's put in through managing the club more effectively. We have a massive squad right now. So much dead money that really shouldn't be needed. I just want a competent owner/CEO with power to run the club. Evans is never going to delegate that power and seems incapable of coming up with a plan.
I cannot believe that Gamechangers have looked at the club and seen anything but a ticket to the Premier League. I'm not suggesting they would come in and throw a fortune at it but you would think getting us back to challenging the top half of the Championship is an easy win for an owner with any competence whatsoever. I really can't see GC coming in and slashing costs and skimming some of the very limited profits which would come from that method. The true riches are in the Premier League. This club has so much potential. I have a mate who frequently lies about football for some reason. He told me we got 29,000 for a division one game in 2003. I assumed he was lying but when I checked this club really did get nearly thirty thousand in division one after we were relegated. The potential is massive. We need a little investment, a plan and clear direction and some competent people to run the club. I just can't believe GC want the club to have us make a tiny profit in the lower leagues. It wouldn't make any sense. My comment about winning a cup is pure hope, of course it is. Right now, honestly, do you have any hope we'll ever see the Premier League again under Evans? If you do, do you still have that hope if he refuses to delegate power and carries on running things as he does?
You said it yourself. His decision making is killing the club. I was annoyed Blue Action put reform on the banner because I think Evans will use that against us but if there was GENUINE reform. If Evans appointed a good board and a proper football CEO to run the club and provided them with a budget and didn't interfere with the running of the club then i'd be much more willing to give Evans another chance. It's not happening. A sale is our only way out of this. [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 17:19]
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Well said J2. Impossible for anyone to read that and not agree imo.
For short.. To quote a wise young Rommy in 2016.. ‘Evans Out!’ | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:22 - Apr 6 with 3529 views | J2BLUE |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:16 - Apr 6 by The_Romford_Blue |
Well said J2. Impossible for anyone to read that and not agree imo.
For short.. To quote a wise young Rommy in 2016.. ‘Evans Out!’ |
Cheers.
Young Rommy was and remains wise but I would like to ask if you've changed your mind about the people who said not renewing was the way to fight? You mocked us quite mercilessly! You may still think it was stupid and if so, fair play, but look where we are. Not blaming people who renewed, just pointing out there is never a good time for the fans to make a stand and renewed calls for people to boycott (if they WANT to) are being met with resistance again. | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:24 - Apr 6 with 4861 views | dirtyboy |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:01 - Apr 6 by The_Romford_Blue |
It’s horrible to think that it’s just pure luck whether you’re in these events or not.
I had a train ticket for that London Bridge attack that would’ve meant I walked out the station amid the attack. Plenty that died that day had come from Epsom racecourse. I was supposed to be there but went the day before instead to the Oaks rather than the Derby.
My best friend had a ticket for the Ariana Grande concert that was the Manchester terror attack. She didn’t go though thankfully.
It’s a scary world to think like that how everyone will have had near misses to some level. It’s a luck of the draw world and it’s terrifying to think about. |
My old man did a chopper transfer from one platform to another, he got off and handed his mate a laptop that was going to make its way back for me, it was something like 10 mins later that all crew died in a crash.
My dad quit his job when he got home and never flew in a helicopter again.
Knowing you were on something that had a catastrophic failure minutes afterwards was pretty hard on him, plus losing a couple of his mates.
Obviously I was pissed I never got my laptop back. |  | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:26 - Apr 6 with 4833 views | J2BLUE |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:24 - Apr 6 by dirtyboy |
My old man did a chopper transfer from one platform to another, he got off and handed his mate a laptop that was going to make its way back for me, it was something like 10 mins later that all crew died in a crash.
My dad quit his job when he got home and never flew in a helicopter again.
Knowing you were on something that had a catastrophic failure minutes afterwards was pretty hard on him, plus losing a couple of his mates.
Obviously I was pissed I never got my laptop back. |
Bloody hell. Glad he got off! | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:28 - Apr 6 with 4810 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:11 - Apr 6 by hammo56 |
A friend of mine was booked on the MS Herald of Free Enterprise and would have been on it when it capsized. Her son was taken ill the day before the sailing from Zeebrugge and she therefore cancelled the booking.
I'm no believer but it does make you wonder sometimes if there is somebody watching over us. |
If there is "somebody watching over us" why wasn't he/her/it watching over those who died? |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:32 - Apr 6 with 4763 views | J2BLUE |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:28 - Apr 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If there is "somebody watching over us" why wasn't he/her/it watching over those who died? |
People miss flights, cancel bookings etc every day and think nothing of it. Obviously once something happens it becomes a big deal.
Always reminds me of people who get shot (etc) then they are saved and they thank god for watching over them. God clearly likes drama as they could have just made the gun jam. | |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:33 - Apr 6 with 4755 views | runaround |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:14 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
Thank you. Apology accepted as well.
I might be overly expectant but i'm not actually thinking that Gamechangers would come in and throw money at it until it worked. Evans' decision making and refusal to change his "strategy" have led us to where we are, I completely agree. What excites me about this is the thought of a full time CEO coming in with football experience who can run the club properly. From what Phil has posted in the past Evans will not change because he sees this as a personal challenge. That terrifies me because if he doesn't sell then we're destined for more of what we've had from him with no end in sight and no sign he will ever learn from his mistakes. I don't hate the man. I don't wish him any harm. I just want him to accept his investment gamble failed and get out.
As for the investment side of things I think Evans has used the money he has invested terribly. He has wasted millions trusting the wrong managers, refused to back the good one he had and his general running of the club has been a disgrace. He's inconsistent, for example turning down £7m for McGoldrick and then selling Murphy for £3m. He regularly sells off assets which are then replaced with vastly inferior players before making a stand on a player like McGoldrick when everyone would have accepted him going IF the money was given to the manager to reinvest. I think people give Evans far too much credit. Yes he's put some money in but half his trouble is the scattergun approach he takes. There's no clear strategy. How many top strikers have Peterborough sold in the last decade before replacing them with an even better one? I genuinely don't think we need an owner to pump in millions each season if there is some sort of plan. I look at other clubs with smaller crowds and they never seem to need millions pumped in by the owner. I'm not talking about the recently relegated either. Much of Evans' investment is to cover up his own incompetence. There is no strategy. It all seems decided on an individual basis. Another thing is the amount of players we lose on frees. It could all be managed so much more effectively. I would like to know the true amount Evans has put in on average for the decade up to the end of the 18/19 season. I'm not sure it's as much as people think (see Mings sale etc) and there's every chance we could have made up a vast amount of that money that he's put in through managing the club more effectively. We have a massive squad right now. So much dead money that really shouldn't be needed. I just want a competent owner/CEO with power to run the club. Evans is never going to delegate that power and seems incapable of coming up with a plan.
I cannot believe that Gamechangers have looked at the club and seen anything but a ticket to the Premier League. I'm not suggesting they would come in and throw a fortune at it but you would think getting us back to challenging the top half of the Championship is an easy win for an owner with any competence whatsoever. I really can't see GC coming in and slashing costs and skimming some of the very limited profits which would come from that method. The true riches are in the Premier League. This club has so much potential. I have a mate who frequently lies about football for some reason. He told me we got 29,000 for a division one game in 2003. I assumed he was lying but when I checked this club really did get nearly thirty thousand in division one after we were relegated. The potential is massive. We need a little investment, a plan and clear direction and some competent people to run the club. I just can't believe GC want the club to have us make a tiny profit in the lower leagues. It wouldn't make any sense. My comment about winning a cup is pure hope, of course it is. Right now, honestly, do you have any hope we'll ever see the Premier League again under Evans? If you do, do you still have that hope if he refuses to delegate power and carries on running things as he does?
You said it yourself. His decision making is killing the club. I was annoyed Blue Action put reform on the banner because I think Evans will use that against us but if there was GENUINE reform. If Evans appointed a good board and a proper football CEO to run the club and provided them with a budget and didn't interfere with the running of the club then i'd be much more willing to give Evans another chance. It's not happening. A sale is our only way out of this. [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 17:19]
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That is my feelings entirely. If Evans was going to put in a proper structure in place in the club he would have done it ages ago. It doesn’t make a jot of difference how desperately he wants to be a success as owner, the way he runs the club means it won’t happen. The talk of “exciting times for fans “ is just sales talk for season tickets. His comments about selling the club if it is in the clubs best interests is also something I disbelieve. I don’t think his ego will let him sell until he has had success. For the good of the club I believe he needs to sell to Gamechanger. As it’s Marcus Evans we are talking about I have no hope he will do it |  | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:33 - Apr 6 with 4743 views | footers |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:32 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
People miss flights, cancel bookings etc every day and think nothing of it. Obviously once something happens it becomes a big deal.
Always reminds me of people who get shot (etc) then they are saved and they thank god for watching over them. God clearly likes drama as they could have just made the gun jam. |
The assailant's hands would be awfully sticky. |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:42 - Apr 6 with 4676 views | longtimefan |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:24 - Apr 6 by dirtyboy |
My old man did a chopper transfer from one platform to another, he got off and handed his mate a laptop that was going to make its way back for me, it was something like 10 mins later that all crew died in a crash.
My dad quit his job when he got home and never flew in a helicopter again.
Knowing you were on something that had a catastrophic failure minutes afterwards was pretty hard on him, plus losing a couple of his mates.
Obviously I was pissed I never got my laptop back. |
I’m lucky to be here at all. During his time on National Service in the RAF my father was asked to swap flights by another Wireless operator. The flight my father was supposed to be on crashed, killing all onboard. | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:42 - Apr 6 with 4672 views | hammo56 |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:28 - Apr 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If there is "somebody watching over us" why wasn't he/her/it watching over those who died? |
No idea guess you will have to ask him or her. | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:43 - Apr 6 with 4665 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:24 - Apr 6 by dirtyboy |
My old man did a chopper transfer from one platform to another, he got off and handed his mate a laptop that was going to make its way back for me, it was something like 10 mins later that all crew died in a crash.
My dad quit his job when he got home and never flew in a helicopter again.
Knowing you were on something that had a catastrophic failure minutes afterwards was pretty hard on him, plus losing a couple of his mates.
Obviously I was pissed I never got my laptop back. |
I used to work at the RNLI looking for new corporate partners and did a load of due diligence on some of the oil industry helicopter firms. There were some seriously dodgy practises going on about 10 years ago in North Sea helicopter transfers. Sorry to hear your dad lost mates in one of those crashes. |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:50 - Apr 6 with 4588 views | TractorCam |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:24 - Apr 6 by dirtyboy |
My old man did a chopper transfer from one platform to another, he got off and handed his mate a laptop that was going to make its way back for me, it was something like 10 mins later that all crew died in a crash.
My dad quit his job when he got home and never flew in a helicopter again.
Knowing you were on something that had a catastrophic failure minutes afterwards was pretty hard on him, plus losing a couple of his mates.
Obviously I was pissed I never got my laptop back. |
That's awful, glad he wasn't apart of that but like you say seeing what happened immediately afterwards must have been really rough on him.
Following on from Rommy/JackSted it's crazy how a tiny, second natured decision can have such an impact, maybe everyday, and you may never be the wiser. |  |
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| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:55 - Apr 6 with 4547 views | greyhound |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 16:37 - Apr 6 by Matt_Netherlands |
Looking for the “deactivate account” button as we speak I believe.... |
I'm still here. Will be saying sorry if it doesn't happen but my source hasn't wavered. I said Wednesday or Thursday so let's chill and see what happens. | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:59 - Apr 6 with 4493 views | BlueBorn86 |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:55 - Apr 6 by greyhound |
I'm still here. Will be saying sorry if it doesn't happen but my source hasn't wavered. I said Wednesday or Thursday so let's chill and see what happens. |
Row back..... | | | |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 18:01 - Apr 6 with 4467 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| THE TAKEOVER IS DONE on 17:42 - Apr 6 by hammo56 |
No idea guess you will have to ask him or her. |
You seem to be swerving the question. The point is, if your survival makes you think there was someone looking over you, then that suggests you think you're special.
More likely that some people were just lucky and others weren't. | |
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