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Not much scope for signings 15:03 - Aug 8 with 6264 viewsPhilTWTD

Seems from the figures put out by the club that there's not much scope for additions within the £2.5m. Aside from the likes of Drinan and Wright, I assume pretty much all the 21 over 21s will be on more than the £113,000 which already takes us a fair bit over £2m and that's not taking into account agents' fees and other sundries. Quite a lot different than the £1,300 which was understood to be the figure existing contracts will be treated as.


Evans: We Will Accept and Deal With Salary Cap 8th Aug 2020 14:15
Owner Marcus Evans says the Blues will accept and deal with the League One salary cap despite being one of the sides to vote against its implementation. Town would appear to be left little scope for additional signings this summer even with the season ahead one of transition. 42

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Not much scope for signings on 16:21 - Aug 8 with 1935 viewshadleighboyblue

Not much scope for signings on 15:53 - Aug 8 by PhilTWTD

Yes, definitely more than that, a fair bit I assume. Was just thinking that we're at £2.x million in wages even with any new additions at £113,000, so we were limited in our options anyway. Clearly we were trying to get Keogh in ahead of that deadline as someone who would have been on a lot more than that. Does make me wonder whether Garbutt is still hoping to get a Championship side.

Re the over £2.5m limit even with the £113,000 thing, I've no idea. I suspect they'd not thought of that.


Assuming the senior pros are on the biggest money , does that make moving out players like Chambers , Skuse * , Huws , Nolan * and Edwards as a way of reducing the wage bill . None of these are going to get any better or increase in value .

We have to reduce the size of the squad to enable us to get any new players in , we were never going to be able to afford Garbutt anyway .

* did Skuse and Nolan sign extensions on reduced money ?
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Not much scope for signings on 16:25 - Aug 8 with 1920 viewsitfcjoe

The 1st of January cut off for ages show how’s ill thought out and rushed through this is. Woolfenden and Dozzell have come through at the same age group since they were 8 or 9 and now because one is an early school year birthday and the other a late one they are now seen as different ages. Which is different to how the U18, U21 and U23s are set up

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Not much scope for signings on 16:29 - Aug 8 with 1908 viewsPhilTWTD

Not much scope for signings on 16:25 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe

The 1st of January cut off for ages show how’s ill thought out and rushed through this is. Woolfenden and Dozzell have come through at the same age group since they were 8 or 9 and now because one is an early school year birthday and the other a late one they are now seen as different ages. Which is different to how the U18, U21 and U23s are set up


Indeed, I queried that as well. It's the international end of year rather than the domestic.
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Not much scope for signings on 16:32 - Aug 8 with 1895 viewsitfcjoe

Not much scope for signings on 16:29 - Aug 8 by PhilTWTD

Indeed, I queried that as well. It's the international end of year rather than the domestic.


Crazy, nothing in this country with regard to football is done in international dates

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Not much scope for signings on 16:32 - Aug 8 with 1896 viewsPhilTWTD

Not much scope for signings on 16:21 - Aug 8 by hadleighboyblue

Assuming the senior pros are on the biggest money , does that make moving out players like Chambers , Skuse * , Huws , Nolan * and Edwards as a way of reducing the wage bill . None of these are going to get any better or increase in value .

We have to reduce the size of the squad to enable us to get any new players in , we were never going to be able to afford Garbutt anyway .

* did Skuse and Nolan sign extensions on reduced money ?


Would reduce the wagw bill but not the salary cap wage bill as they're all taken at £113,000.

Skuse signed a new contract, almost certainly on reduced money given his age and the financial situation at this level at present. An option was taken on Nolan so presumably on the same money.
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Not much scope for signings on 16:34 - Aug 8 with 1876 viewsPrideOfTheEast

There will be holes in this but lots to think about in a much wider context with the salary cap.

League one clubs like us do not need wealthy owners. Well perhaps they do in an Covid situation but in normal times they won’t with these rules. Championship clubs perhaps do. But we are a league one club with an owner who has consistently made poor decisions, has undeniably taken the club backwards as the game has run away from him in a financial sense. I’ve defended the need for an owner with deep pockets lots on here but there’s loads more questions now.

What is our P&L with a player wage bill restricted to 2.5m. Appreciate that’s not the case now (ie it’s well in excess of that) but if we’re a league one club in two years time it will be.

What happens to any profit that simply cannot be immediately reinvested if we sell a player for millions.

What happens to season ticket prices in future seasons when our wage bill really is 2.5m. You might expect they’d be flexed so as to not generate profit that cannot be spent on the first team.

Will we approach players sales differently. Selling Downes for millions seems worthless now. Shouldn’t we sell him in exchange for loan players for whom we pay none of the wages.
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Not much scope for signings on 16:38 - Aug 8 with 1859 viewsIllinoisblue

Perfect excuse for Lambert as we struggle to keep up with the likes of Fleetwood.

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Not much scope for signings on 17:09 - Aug 8 with 1795 viewsshady

Well, according to yesterday’s Star we should be fine

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/how-salary-cap-could-affect-ips

Our current squad of over 21’s is valued at only 1,300 weekly each making approx 1.25million
This is because they were all signed with existing higher contracts.
1,300 per week is 67.6k yearly so even though they can count only 17 older
players we'll say our notional wage bill for this new ruling is 1.25million
Leaving 1.25 million for 5 new signings on 5k weekly.
...and we can overshoot by 5%

Explains the urgency to sign up Nolan and Holy.
Also our ability to bid for Keogh

What have I misread?
Of course rules can change overnight
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Not much scope for signings on 17:11 - Aug 8 with 1775 viewsHerbivore

Not much scope for signings on 17:09 - Aug 8 by shady

Well, according to yesterday’s Star we should be fine

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/how-salary-cap-could-affect-ips

Our current squad of over 21’s is valued at only 1,300 weekly each making approx 1.25million
This is because they were all signed with existing higher contracts.
1,300 per week is 67.6k yearly so even though they can count only 17 older
players we'll say our notional wage bill for this new ruling is 1.25million
Leaving 1.25 million for 5 new signings on 5k weekly.
...and we can overshoot by 5%

Explains the urgency to sign up Nolan and Holy.
Also our ability to bid for Keogh

What have I misread?
Of course rules can change overnight


You've missed a lot.

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Not much scope for signings on 17:23 - Aug 8 with 1745 viewsTieDyedIn95

Not much scope for signings on 15:14 - Aug 8 by Ace_High1

Never going to happen so pointless worrying about it.

On the other hand we could clear out Nsiala, Norwood, Nolan, Donancien, Kenlock, Wilson etc etc


Is it pointless?

Why not start by clearing out the Bishops, Huws, Dozzells and co. who spend most the season on the treatment table. Judge is another one who is struggling here due to off field issues and Chambers/Skuse are closer to 40 than 20 and won't likely play a full season coming up. We need people who can play. Having a ton of injured midfielders is absolutely pointless especially when now we won't have any depth to cover for injuries and holding onto broken players and trying to cover them with cheap loans will not result in promotion.

As other posters have pointed out - this is a disaster of Evans making, I can't feel sorry for the guy. When you allow a club to be relegated in October and the best you can offer your new manager is Colin Quaner, Will Keane and a half fit Alan Judge you don't deserve success in football. If he really wanted us to be a Championship club he would have done more when we were still in that league, and brought in a good manager in the first place, not a non-league midget with a Keane sized ego or a has-been scummer to replace him. He's a terrible owner regardless of him covering the losses, he's caused a lot of these issues by making bad decisions in the first place going all the way back to Roy Keane as manager and letting that Clegg guy run the club.

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Not much scope for signings on 17:23 - Aug 8 with 1757 viewsPhilTWTD

Not much scope for signings on 17:09 - Aug 8 by shady

Well, according to yesterday’s Star we should be fine

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/how-salary-cap-could-affect-ips

Our current squad of over 21’s is valued at only 1,300 weekly each making approx 1.25million
This is because they were all signed with existing higher contracts.
1,300 per week is 67.6k yearly so even though they can count only 17 older
players we'll say our notional wage bill for this new ruling is 1.25million
Leaving 1.25 million for 5 new signings on 5k weekly.
...and we can overshoot by 5%

Explains the urgency to sign up Nolan and Holy.
Also our ability to bid for Keogh

What have I misread?
Of course rules can change overnight


The issue is, as per the post and the story linked in it, that the club have said the value that the over-21s' contracts are taken at is £113,000 a year, not the lower figure.
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Not much scope for signings on 17:31 - Aug 8 with 1713 viewsshady

Not much scope for signings on 17:23 - Aug 8 by PhilTWTD

The issue is, as per the post and the story linked in it, that the club have said the value that the over-21s' contracts are taken at is £113,000 a year, not the lower figure.


Pity
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Not much scope for signings on 17:44 - Aug 8 with 1676 viewsBrixtonBlue

Not much scope for signings on 17:23 - Aug 8 by TieDyedIn95

Is it pointless?

Why not start by clearing out the Bishops, Huws, Dozzells and co. who spend most the season on the treatment table. Judge is another one who is struggling here due to off field issues and Chambers/Skuse are closer to 40 than 20 and won't likely play a full season coming up. We need people who can play. Having a ton of injured midfielders is absolutely pointless especially when now we won't have any depth to cover for injuries and holding onto broken players and trying to cover them with cheap loans will not result in promotion.

As other posters have pointed out - this is a disaster of Evans making, I can't feel sorry for the guy. When you allow a club to be relegated in October and the best you can offer your new manager is Colin Quaner, Will Keane and a half fit Alan Judge you don't deserve success in football. If he really wanted us to be a Championship club he would have done more when we were still in that league, and brought in a good manager in the first place, not a non-league midget with a Keane sized ego or a has-been scummer to replace him. He's a terrible owner regardless of him covering the losses, he's caused a lot of these issues by making bad decisions in the first place going all the way back to Roy Keane as manager and letting that Clegg guy run the club.


You realise all these players you want to get rid of have contracts, don't you?

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Not much scope for signings on 19:54 - Aug 8 with 1582 viewslongtimefan

Not much scope for signings on 17:44 - Aug 8 by BrixtonBlue

You realise all these players you want to get rid of have contracts, don't you?


That’s the thing isn’t it. People keep saying we need a clear out (and we do have a large squad tha would probably benefit from thinning out) but we can only do that if another club is willing pay for those players, and is willing to match the player’s salary expectation.
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