| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 17:31 - Nov 8 with 1120 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 12:53 - Nov 8 by meekreech |
How about the aggressive bad faith from the eec ? I expect to collect a lot more down buttons simply for having a non socialist viewpoint. The problem with this site for anything other than football is it has a deeply ingrained socialist bias and a lack of toleration for anything else. That is only to be expected . |
“[TWTD] has a deeply ingrained socialist bias” – I can comfortably confirm that’s nonsense.
Everything to the left of you isn’t “socialism”. |  |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 18:28 - Nov 8 with 1057 views | Meadowlark |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 11:01 - Nov 8 by gordon |
Basically as long as we're at political war with Europe, the conservative party will always lead the polls / be elected. |
Of course. This is the reason. The polls are going badly and Johnson needs The Sun readers and The Daily express readers to rise up and support him, and what better way than to imply to their simple minds that we are being put upon by those nasty foreigners again. |  | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 18:42 - Nov 8 with 1037 views | ZXBlue |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 18:28 - Nov 8 by Meadowlark |
Of course. This is the reason. The polls are going badly and Johnson needs The Sun readers and The Daily express readers to rise up and support him, and what better way than to imply to their simple minds that we are being put upon by those nasty foreigners again. |
Nah. You dont need to go for conspiracy theories or tactical manoeuvring here.
Its very simple. There was never a viable solution to the NI problem in the context of a hard Brexit. They knew that then, but bundled it through in a rush of power fuelled chutzpah. They are now stuck with an arrangement that was always going to be a massive problem so are trying to leverage improvements by making threats. |  | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 18:46 - Nov 8 with 1032 views | Dubtractor |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 17:31 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
“[TWTD] has a deeply ingrained socialist bias” – I can comfortably confirm that’s nonsense.
Everything to the left of you isn’t “socialism”. |
Haha.
Yep, it's full of centre left bellends like me! |  |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:02 - Nov 8 with 1008 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 18:46 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
Haha.
Yep, it's full of centre left bellends like me! |
Mostly centre-right bellends but you’re not a bellend.
I’m centre-left. Believing that capitalism is a good engine for the economy and society, but believing that socialist values are the driver who can steer and apply the brakes just as much as the accelerator. Because our collective system should provide freedom and choice but if it ultimately doesn’t work for the collective good then it’s failed.
When a society doesn’t look after its kids, its younger generation of workers, its minorities and its poor then GDP is no measure of success. Neither is house price rises when people should know deep down how little of that massive increase in value has been worked for.
It’s a real shame, because the UK is a great place with great people and *could* be leading the way for the world, never mind being a better place to live for its people. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:09 - Nov 8 with 989 views | footers |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:02 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Mostly centre-right bellends but you’re not a bellend.
I’m centre-left. Believing that capitalism is a good engine for the economy and society, but believing that socialist values are the driver who can steer and apply the brakes just as much as the accelerator. Because our collective system should provide freedom and choice but if it ultimately doesn’t work for the collective good then it’s failed.
When a society doesn’t look after its kids, its younger generation of workers, its minorities and its poor then GDP is no measure of success. Neither is house price rises when people should know deep down how little of that massive increase in value has been worked for.
It’s a real shame, because the UK is a great place with great people and *could* be leading the way for the world, never mind being a better place to live for its people. |
You're a good egg, Koonters.
That all sounds great and everything BUT.... what's in it for me? |  |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:13 - Nov 8 with 983 views | Dubtractor |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:09 - Nov 8 by footers |
You're a good egg, Koonters.
That all sounds great and everything BUT.... what's in it for me? |
Free broadband?
Sorry, that was cheap. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:15 - Nov 8 with 966 views | footers |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:13 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
Free broadband?
Sorry, that was cheap. |
I'd have been happy with a Parker pen or free brolly, tbh. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:29 - Nov 8 with 945 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:09 - Nov 8 by footers |
You're a good egg, Koonters.
That all sounds great and everything BUT.... what's in it for me? |
Back at you, footers. 🥰
But yeah, there’s the rub. If you’re any combination of white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning or middle/upper class then a fairer, more equitable society isn’t going to keep increasing your share portfolio and the value of your house at quite the same rate. That’s the sad, bitter truth.
Here’s the trick though ... keep promoting a political and media class that is predominantly white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning and middle/upper class. And then wring your hands and flaunt your credentials about social injustice just to keep up appearances. Sprinkle a few complaints about political corruption, incompetence and the environment on top.
Job done. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:47 - Nov 8 with 909 views | eireblue |
I do like how some of the Tory, and Johnson supporters leap in to make some comments.
Be rather nice to understand from them, why did Johnson get it wrong first time around?
Are there other things that Johnson can get wrong, that will be equally okay? |  | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:56 - Nov 8 with 889 views | footers |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:47 - Nov 8 by eireblue |
I do like how some of the Tory, and Johnson supporters leap in to make some comments.
Be rather nice to understand from them, why did Johnson get it wrong first time around?
Are there other things that Johnson can get wrong, that will be equally okay? |
The criminally underrated Time Trumpet attempted to compare the premierships of Blair and Brown.
"Blair could sh1t in your hat and you'd want to buy him a pint; Brown could buy you a pint and you'd want to sh1t in his hat."
The Johnson apologists and sycophants are beyond help. They can see no wrong in anything, to the point where Johnson purposely tells obvious lies (where are those Routemaster models, Alex?) as an apparent test of loyalty or blatant subversion of 'reality'. It's a cult. [Post edited 8 Nov 2021 20:00]
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:05 - Nov 8 with 875 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:56 - Nov 8 by footers |
The criminally underrated Time Trumpet attempted to compare the premierships of Blair and Brown.
"Blair could sh1t in your hat and you'd want to buy him a pint; Brown could buy you a pint and you'd want to sh1t in his hat."
The Johnson apologists and sycophants are beyond help. They can see no wrong in anything, to the point where Johnson purposely tells obvious lies (where are those Routemaster models, Alex?) as an apparent test of loyalty or blatant subversion of 'reality'. It's a cult. [Post edited 8 Nov 2021 20:00]
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Indeed. Politics has been transformed into cults, from Johnson to Starmer.
But it’s only policies that will ever count. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:23 - Nov 8 with 851 views | ZXBlue |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:05 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. Politics has been transformed into cults, from Johnson to Starmer.
But it’s only policies that will ever count. |
Starmer isnt a cult | | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:27 - Nov 8 with 835 views | footers |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:23 - Nov 8 by ZXBlue |
Starmer isnt a cult |
No, but he is useless. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:31 - Nov 8 with 828 views | ZXBlue |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:27 - Nov 8 by footers |
No, but he is useless. |
Dont think he is that either. He just isnt a personality of the sort that the ignorant masses have been trained to require. | | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:31 - Nov 8 with 828 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:23 - Nov 8 by ZXBlue |
Starmer isnt a cult |
Supporting him relies on abandoning all reason and pretending he’s even close to the answer, so “cult” seems appropriate.
The fact that it’s the most dull and meaningless cult ever is by the by. Or, similarly, that it’s a cult that’s perfect for the establishment win or “lose”. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:38 - Nov 8 with 800 views | footers |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:31 - Nov 8 by ZXBlue |
Dont think he is that either. He just isnt a personality of the sort that the ignorant masses have been trained to require. |
Problem is, we've had a 'presidential' style of PM for decades now. I preferred the old style of proper cabinet politics but Starmer simply doesn't cut through in this day and age, rightly or wrongly.
If people judge former leaders of the opposition on their polling, what are we to make of Starmer? We were told that anyone would wipe the floor with the Tories right now but Starmer is failing that test so far. I'm sure he's an excellent QC but he doesn't have the required charisma from what I've seen so far, sadly. [Post edited 8 Nov 2021 20:40]
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:38 - Nov 8 with 744 views | ZXBlue |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 20:31 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Supporting him relies on abandoning all reason and pretending he’s even close to the answer, so “cult” seems appropriate.
The fact that it’s the most dull and meaningless cult ever is by the by. Or, similarly, that it’s a cult that’s perfect for the establishment win or “lose”. |
Supporting him just means not being so blinkeredly devoted to Corbyn that you can't see beyond the party divisions. | | | |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:42 - Nov 8 with 734 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:38 - Nov 8 by ZXBlue |
Supporting him just means not being so blinkeredly devoted to Corbyn that you can't see beyond the party divisions. |
Policies, man. Policies.
I’ve never been “devoted” to any politician, much less an empty suit who can’t fight his way out of a political paper bag. | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:44 - Nov 8 with 725 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 19:29 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Back at you, footers. 🥰
But yeah, there’s the rub. If you’re any combination of white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning or middle/upper class then a fairer, more equitable society isn’t going to keep increasing your share portfolio and the value of your house at quite the same rate. That’s the sad, bitter truth.
Here’s the trick though ... keep promoting a political and media class that is predominantly white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning and middle/upper class. And then wring your hands and flaunt your credentials about social injustice just to keep up appearances. Sprinkle a few complaints about political corruption, incompetence and the environment on top.
Job done. |
Thing is, DK, I'm a white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning, middle class boomer, and I'm all for a fairer, more equitable society and I don't really care about increasing my share portfolio (such as it is!) and the value of my house - I know I've been very very lucky, having free Uni education (and even luckier that I dodged the ITA bullet in the 60s!) and the first house I bought was a share with 2 friends from Uni at the age of 30.
Unfortunately I am in the minority amongst my peers, some of whom can't see the irony of saying "why should I pay for x" when they benefitted from exactly that when they were younger, even when pointed out in words of one syllable.....a further irony is that many were anti-Brexit, saying we should stay part of a larger bloc where we can all work together for the common good!
I tend not to discuss politics with them if I can avoid it...
For those who did have to suffer ITA at school, you have my profound sympathies...
https://theliteracyblog.com/2015/05/14/i-t-a-a-great-idea-but-a-dismal-failure/ |  |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 22:01 - Nov 8 with 713 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:44 - Nov 8 by Ewan_Oozami |
Thing is, DK, I'm a white, male, over 50, educated, home-owning, middle class boomer, and I'm all for a fairer, more equitable society and I don't really care about increasing my share portfolio (such as it is!) and the value of my house - I know I've been very very lucky, having free Uni education (and even luckier that I dodged the ITA bullet in the 60s!) and the first house I bought was a share with 2 friends from Uni at the age of 30.
Unfortunately I am in the minority amongst my peers, some of whom can't see the irony of saying "why should I pay for x" when they benefitted from exactly that when they were younger, even when pointed out in words of one syllable.....a further irony is that many were anti-Brexit, saying we should stay part of a larger bloc where we can all work together for the common good!
I tend not to discuss politics with them if I can avoid it...
For those who did have to suffer ITA at school, you have my profound sympathies...
https://theliteracyblog.com/2015/05/14/i-t-a-a-great-idea-but-a-dismal-failure/ |
Agree with your point of view and experience. Footers is bang in with how this is all framed in a “what’s in it for me” perspective. And against that, there’s nothing people will listen to.
But cheers for the ITA stuff. Before my time, and while I can understand the attempt to try and simplify English, I can see the massive problems that created for *really* understanding written English. Basically they were teaching two languages, not one.
I’m going to have a further dig thanks to you. Very interesting. | |
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| Oh my God on 00:03 - Nov 9 with 646 views | unstableblue |
| You're right on one point.... on 15:45 - Nov 8 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
The BBC business piece that you quote is a forecast by Richard Hughes of the OBR and does not reflect what is happening now. May I suggest you investigate his forecast made 12 months ago and compare it with reality today. He was a few billion on the pessimistic side.
Statistics of course can almost tell you whatever you want to read into them, but those who quote that Brexit will be a financial disaster might just be wrong of course.
Our economy as of now is performing better than expected. |
You are delusional
Someone has shared the tweet on the recent Independent stats
Brexit is a disaster, there is no measure out there that could possibly refute that
My concern is that it is much worse than expected and is going to last much longer
Also what price the installation of the most corrupt and incompetent government in living memory? We have Boris Johnson as PM? Boris Johnson |  |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 06:11 - Nov 9 with 597 views | noggin |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 21:38 - Nov 8 by ZXBlue |
Supporting him just means not being so blinkeredly devoted to Corbyn that you can't see beyond the party divisions. |
And there we have it. It doesn't matter that he's a compulsive liar, a racist and complete failure, he's not Jeremy Corbyn so people will vote for him. Unbelievable. |  |
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| Oh my God on 06:22 - Nov 9 with 587 views | noggin |
| Oh my God on 00:03 - Nov 9 by unstableblue |
You are delusional
Someone has shared the tweet on the recent Independent stats
Brexit is a disaster, there is no measure out there that could possibly refute that
My concern is that it is much worse than expected and is going to last much longer
Also what price the installation of the most corrupt and incompetent government in living memory? We have Boris Johnson as PM? Boris Johnson |
Yeah but.... | |
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| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 08:28 - Nov 9 with 534 views | Herbivore |
| Boris renegotiating the Brexit deal on 06:11 - Nov 9 by noggin |
And there we have it. It doesn't matter that he's a compulsive liar, a racist and complete failure, he's not Jeremy Corbyn so people will vote for him. Unbelievable. |
He was talking about Starmer in that post rather than Johnson. |  |
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