| The Shadows 21:06 - Nov 5 with 3566 views | BlueToad |
Watching Cole Skuse retreating to take the ball off the CBs and on at least one occasion take it from behind the CBs makes my bones shudder.
Really bad memories.
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| The Shadows on 08:25 - Nov 6 with 481 views | itfcjoe |
| The Shadows on 08:23 - Nov 6 by Churchman |
I agree with this. It’s interesting how Skuse polarised opinions. My view of him was:
On the positive side, he was a good club man and played a lot of games. He could read the game well and was pretty good at intercepting the ball. He was also always gave one hundred percent. His best position was in front of the back four and he suited how MM wanted to play the game.
On the negative side, I thought his tackling wasn’t great and I saw him bottle out of more than one challenge which drove me nuts. He was poor in the air, not the best passer, not the fastest and his goal record of 2 in 278 appearances speaks for itself. To be fair, I do wonder how much stronger he’d have looked with better players around him.
How MM said he could play in the Premier League was beyond me. I presume he was trying to boost his confidence. For me, mid/lower Championship doing a job in front of the back four was about his level.
I know many people hold a much higher opinion of him than me, but it’s all about opinions and that’s what makes the game fun. |
I was never his biggest fan, it if you speak to anyone who played with him they will tell you what a fantastic player he was so guess he’s the one who does a lot of the unseen work to allow others to play. Great positioning when we went in the attack to allow full backs and other midfielders to go without having to keep one eye on getting back.
But 400+ games in the second tier tells its own story, you don’t do that without being very good in this day and age |  |
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| The Shadows on 08:40 - Nov 6 with 455 views | Mullet |
| The Shadows on 21:07 - Nov 5 by chrismakin |
Like Morsy does for us now you mean? |
Don’t be silly. Morsy has never done that for us in championship |  |
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| The Shadows on 08:49 - Nov 6 with 442 views | Mullet |
| The Shadows on 08:23 - Nov 6 by Churchman |
I agree with this. It’s interesting how Skuse polarised opinions. My view of him was:
On the positive side, he was a good club man and played a lot of games. He could read the game well and was pretty good at intercepting the ball. He was also always gave one hundred percent. His best position was in front of the back four and he suited how MM wanted to play the game.
On the negative side, I thought his tackling wasn’t great and I saw him bottle out of more than one challenge which drove me nuts. He was poor in the air, not the best passer, not the fastest and his goal record of 2 in 278 appearances speaks for itself. To be fair, I do wonder how much stronger he’d have looked with better players around him.
How MM said he could play in the Premier League was beyond me. I presume he was trying to boost his confidence. For me, mid/lower Championship doing a job in front of the back four was about his level.
I know many people hold a much higher opinion of him than me, but it’s all about opinions and that’s what makes the game fun. |
He was never poor in the air or bad at tackling. He rarely needed to make a header but when he did he usually won it. They just weren’t big booming defensive ones because he was putting them to someone ten yards away. In several seasons he will miss the odd one but that’s not the same thing.
He made several last ditch tackles over his time here when covering the defence. But when the play was in his orbit he usually swept up rather than needing to go to ground.
If he’d have had Magiltons passing or Holland’s pace and engine he would have been a prem player. | |
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| The Shadows on 09:03 - Nov 6 with 429 views | OsborneOneNil |
| The Shadows on 08:25 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
I was never his biggest fan, it if you speak to anyone who played with him they will tell you what a fantastic player he was so guess he’s the one who does a lot of the unseen work to allow others to play. Great positioning when we went in the attack to allow full backs and other midfielders to go without having to keep one eye on getting back.
But 400+ games in the second tier tells its own story, you don’t do that without being very good in this day and age |
He just seemed to play far too reserved, for my liking. Too ‘safe’.
Also, on the subject of getting the ball off the back 4 and starting something, he wasn’t always great there too. He often hid in games, not demanding that ball, not being available. Bristol City away being an example. My lad plays CDM so we watched Skuse closely, he hid throughout, was quite incredible.
Tbf, the whole side was woeful that day under MM. |  | | |
| The Shadows on 09:05 - Nov 6 with 428 views | Keaneish |
| The Shadows on 08:20 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Morsy has played 4 seasons in the Chanpionship, been relegated twice (one due to admin so should be a mid table finish) and finished 23rd, 18th and 10th.
He’s been really impressive so far, and exactly what we need - but it’s forgotten where someone like Skuse was in his prime - if Morsy was on a different planet he’d be in the top end of the Championship, a position he’s never been in |
…although Morsy does have a World Cup appearance to his name all be it a fleeting one in a defeat. I think the quality Morsy brings to the game is better than Skuse. He’s got more tenacity and aggression; he’s more vocal and inspirational in that position and drives people on. I’m a fan of any midfielder who has that about them. Skuse never did unfortunately as integral as he was for a few seasons. |  |
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| The Shadows on 09:24 - Nov 6 with 404 views | BiGDonnie |
| The Shadows on 21:12 - Nov 5 by chrismakin |
Not quite no. But I've seen Morsy drop deep and collect the ball and spray it around, nothing wrong with that.
Also. Skuse was a brilliant championship midfielder. A different type to Morsy but still was a solid player. |
Bruv… |  |
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| The Shadows on 09:37 - Nov 6 with 384 views | itfcjoe |
| The Shadows on 09:05 - Nov 6 by Keaneish |
…although Morsy does have a World Cup appearance to his name all be it a fleeting one in a defeat. I think the quality Morsy brings to the game is better than Skuse. He’s got more tenacity and aggression; he’s more vocal and inspirational in that position and drives people on. I’m a fan of any midfielder who has that about them. Skuse never did unfortunately as integral as he was for a few seasons. |
Ditto re the type of player I prefer personally as well, better to notice someone rather than just know they are good because all their team mates and managers love them - guess equivalents at somewhere like Man U is something like Roy Keane vs Michael Carrick.
I think things did begin to go wrong in our first season down when we went away from a simple 442 with Downes and Skuse centrally just not conceding goals | |
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| The Shadows on 09:51 - Nov 6 with 362 views | Churchman |
| The Shadows on 08:49 - Nov 6 by Mullet |
He was never poor in the air or bad at tackling. He rarely needed to make a header but when he did he usually won it. They just weren’t big booming defensive ones because he was putting them to someone ten yards away. In several seasons he will miss the odd one but that’s not the same thing.
He made several last ditch tackles over his time here when covering the defence. But when the play was in his orbit he usually swept up rather than needing to go to ground.
If he’d have had Magiltons passing or Holland’s pace and engine he would have been a prem player. |
When Skuse went up for a ball, he more often than not would turn away and would always shut his eyes (something John Lyall would have gone bananas over). He was good at reading the game, nipping in and intercepting, but full on tackling? My failing memory is that he mostly left that to others.
Skuse gave good service to our club on the field and I suspect off it. 268 appearances? Can’t argue with that. Full respect to the bloke. He’s has a good career.
My view is that as a player, he was a country mile off being a Premier League standard, but as I said earlier, it’s all about opinions and differing views make the game fun. |  | | |
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| The Shadows on 10:02 - Nov 6 with 350 views | Wickets |
I like them both . Morsy is great for us right now and Skuse was great for us for many years . Well done to him i say as Cole missed almost a full season and now in the twilight of his playing career he is doing a good job in league 2 . [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 11:58]
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| The Shadows on 10:24 - Nov 6 with 323 views | Keaneish |
| The Shadows on 09:37 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Ditto re the type of player I prefer personally as well, better to notice someone rather than just know they are good because all their team mates and managers love them - guess equivalents at somewhere like Man U is something like Roy Keane vs Michael Carrick.
I think things did begin to go wrong in our first season down when we went away from a simple 442 with Downes and Skuse centrally just not conceding goals |
I often wonder what Lambert would have achieved had he not began his descent into tinkering starting at MK Dons. That was the beginning of a long, drawn out end. We’d looked comfortable if not spectacular. I guess he wanted the latter and his ambition and ego exceeded his ability. | |
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| The Shadows on 10:41 - Nov 6 with 295 views | tractorshark |
No question Skuse was a good player but his passing range and lack of pace were the main reasons why he wasn’t in the Prem.
But, as fans, we judge players largely by what they do on the ball and their stats. What Skuse did off the ball probably went unappreciated in most quarters but was no doubt invaluable to the team.
Morsy is a different player, with a different remit and role.
He looks quality at the moment but if you are going to compare him to Skuse, it’s worth remembering this is League One, not the Championship.
Skuse operated largely in the Championship and when he did play in League One, the Ipswich side was nowhere near as good as this one.
I haven’t seen enough of Morsy in the Championship to pass judgement but Boro obviously felt they could do without him.
And, as an Ipswich fan, I’m very pleased they did because he’s our most important player right now. He certainly looks too good for League One, hopefully he’ll be just as successful for us in the Championship. |  | | |
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