| 'Next' reopening 07:53 - Apr 29 with 2580 views | uefacup81 |
There was a chap on BBC Breakfast this morning saying that Next are looking to start reopening stores, starting with their out-of-town stores.
With this swathe of stores now talking about reopening, have I missed something? I've not heard any talk about the 'essential' list having been updated, so are these places ignoring the restrictions and just striking out on their own?
EDIT - I misunderstood the piece, it's being planned once the lockdown is lifted. I still think the broader issue of some places reopening (essential or not) is worthy of discussion [Post edited 29 Apr 2020 11:40]
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| 'Next' reopening on 07:55 - Apr 29 with 2002 views | sparks |
I predict a big spike in cases coming our way and a stricter lockdown in about 6 weeks time... |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 08:04 - Apr 29 with 1949 views | Pinewoodblue |
Suspect that will be for click and collect only. Expect Curry’s to try as well. Haven’t the government given Argos tthe go ahead to open stand alone stores for click and collect. Currently only those within Sainsbury’s are open. [Post edited 29 Apr 2020 8:37]
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| 'Next' reopening on 08:08 - Apr 29 with 1939 views | factual_blue |
They're all probably looking to force the Government's hand. |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 08:41 - Apr 29 with 1871 views | uefacup81 |
| 'Next' reopening on 08:08 - Apr 29 by factual_blue |
They're all probably looking to force the Government's hand. |
That's what I was wondering.
There's no need for these stores to open. If anyone needs clothing as a matter of dire urgency, then surely the ranges that are offered by the supermarkets that are currently open should fit the bill.
This is the sort of situation where the Government should be earning their money, so to speak. Either slap them right down with a firm 'no' and the threat of enforcement action, or allow them to open on the proviso that they'll be subject to massively increased taxation on any profits made during this time. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 08:46 - Apr 29 with 1856 views | Ace_High1 |
I think a lot of it comes from an attitude of we are going to have some restrictions in place for the next 12-18 months so got to find a way to get some businesses going.
When the "lockdown" was first announced I think you will find a lot of businesses thought ok we will be shutdown for 1 or 2 months but then back to normal. As normal will not be back until 2021 at best in the meantime everyone is trying to find ways of keeping some trade going, even at a reduced level.
Same is happening in construction and other industries. Over the next two weeks many, many businesses will reopen to some extent. [Post edited 29 Apr 2020 8:56]
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:10 - Apr 29 with 1789 views | uefacup81 |
Clearly they've seen the extent to which the lockdown is being observed/enforced, and feel this gives them carte blanche to do whatever they like.
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| There needs to be a balance between health and the economy..... on 09:11 - Apr 29 with 1785 views | Bloots |
….and by economy I don't mean multi million pound hedge funds and huge multinationals, before I get called capitalist scum, I'm talking about the millions of people employed in retail that are facing unemployment or all the sole traders that are going to lose their businesses.
The country can't prop up the economy indefinitely.
Not everyone can sit behind a computer and earn money to support themselves or their families.
We need to find a balanced way to survive, financially and literally.
Millions of people from all walks of life are going to suffer otherwise. |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:14 - Apr 29 with 1773 views | ITFC_Forever |
They feel they need to start taking money again.
And will point to the fact they will enforce the social distancing rules the supermarkets have been doing to legitimise their actions. |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:17 - Apr 29 with 1765 views | uefacup81 |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:14 - Apr 29 by ITFC_Forever |
They feel they need to start taking money again.
And will point to the fact they will enforce the social distancing rules the supermarkets have been doing to legitimise their actions. |
In my experience with the supermarkets, all notion of social distancing goes out of the window the moment one leaves the queue and enters the store. Not even the employees take the blindest bit of notice of it.
It's almost as if it's a bit of a sham in order to give shoppers a false sense of security, lest they take their business elsewhere. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:24 - Apr 29 with 1729 views | StokieBlue |
Germany.
r0 of 0.7 to 1.0 in 5 days since reopening.
We should probably not be reopening places like Next for a while yet.
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| There needs to be a balance between health and the economy..... on 09:25 - Apr 29 with 1723 views | GeoffSentence |
| There needs to be a balance between health and the economy..... on 09:11 - Apr 29 by Bloots |
….and by economy I don't mean multi million pound hedge funds and huge multinationals, before I get called capitalist scum, I'm talking about the millions of people employed in retail that are facing unemployment or all the sole traders that are going to lose their businesses.
The country can't prop up the economy indefinitely.
Not everyone can sit behind a computer and earn money to support themselves or their families.
We need to find a balanced way to survive, financially and literally.
Millions of people from all walks of life are going to suffer otherwise. |
There does need to be such a balance, but individual retailers shouldn't be deciding where the balance lies. That will lead to a complete breakdown of balance. |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:29 - Apr 29 with 1709 views | uefacup81 |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:24 - Apr 29 by StokieBlue |
Germany.
r0 of 0.7 to 1.0 in 5 days since reopening.
We should probably not be reopening places like Next for a while yet.
SB |
Precisely this.
And this is in a country which has got its sh*t together, currently has the obligation to wear a face mask in a number of scenarios, and where people are much more likely to actually take notice of social distancing.
A company such as Next should have sufficient insurance in place to cover eventualities such as this, and if it doesn't then the Government needs to be either taking the insurers to task, or stepping in as an insurer of last resort. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:30 - Apr 29 with 1701 views | GeoffSentence |
This is all I have been able to find online referring to it
"Next said it has plans in place to reopen stores when lockdown is lifted, but would be prioritising out-of-town outlets initially, where it is easier to operate in a "socially distanced world". "
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18412881.next-prioritise-re-opening-out-of-tow
So, they don't look like they are planning to break lockdown, just planning ahead. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:31 - Apr 29 with 1693 views | Ace_High1 |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:17 - Apr 29 by uefacup81 |
In my experience with the supermarkets, all notion of social distancing goes out of the window the moment one leaves the queue and enters the store. Not even the employees take the blindest bit of notice of it.
It's almost as if it's a bit of a sham in order to give shoppers a false sense of security, lest they take their business elsewhere. |
Same with a lot of industries though. As Joe said the other day almost impossible to undertake construction keeping 2 metres apart but no one (company's or Government) really care about what REALLY happens. As long as we all say the right thing, if anything happens we can blame the staff for not following the rules. And then staff are compromised on site as don't want to be the ones to highlight it. | | | |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:32 - Apr 29 with 1687 views | hype313 |
| 'Next' reopening on 07:55 - Apr 29 by sparks |
I predict a big spike in cases coming our way and a stricter lockdown in about 6 weeks time... |
Yep, already happening in Germany. |  |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:39 - Apr 29 with 1658 views | StokieBlue |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:29 - Apr 29 by uefacup81 |
Precisely this.
And this is in a country which has got its sh*t together, currently has the obligation to wear a face mask in a number of scenarios, and where people are much more likely to actually take notice of social distancing.
A company such as Next should have sufficient insurance in place to cover eventualities such as this, and if it doesn't then the Government needs to be either taking the insurers to task, or stepping in as an insurer of last resort. |
The real crunch point will come in June. If we are still in lockdown but the furlough scheme expires then many companies and retailers will have a decision to make.
The furlough scheme can't continue indefinitely, it's a huge amount of money. Compare the up to 2500 GBP per month to the one-off payment of 1200 USD being given in the US. This does increase for families so 2 adults and 2 kids would get 3400 USD as a one-off payment but that's about the same as the UK government is covering per month.
Look at BA. Even with the furlough scheme that announced 12,000 redundancies yesterday.
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:45 - Apr 29 with 1610 views | sparks |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:29 - Apr 29 by uefacup81 |
Precisely this.
And this is in a country which has got its sh*t together, currently has the obligation to wear a face mask in a number of scenarios, and where people are much more likely to actually take notice of social distancing.
A company such as Next should have sufficient insurance in place to cover eventualities such as this, and if it doesn't then the Government needs to be either taking the insurers to task, or stepping in as an insurer of last resort. |
I cant see insurance being an issue.
To prove that one caught the virus at Next rather than elsewhere would be nigh on impossible. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:46 - Apr 29 with 1598 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:39 - Apr 29 by StokieBlue |
The real crunch point will come in June. If we are still in lockdown but the furlough scheme expires then many companies and retailers will have a decision to make.
The furlough scheme can't continue indefinitely, it's a huge amount of money. Compare the up to 2500 GBP per month to the one-off payment of 1200 USD being given in the US. This does increase for families so 2 adults and 2 kids would get 3400 USD as a one-off payment but that's about the same as the UK government is covering per month.
Look at BA. Even with the furlough scheme that announced 12,000 redundancies yesterday.
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I’d head that the govt have budgeted for furlough to be extended until the end of August.
After that it simply can’t continue. |  |
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| Even The Sun has managed to.... on 09:47 - Apr 29 with 1600 views | Bloots |
….report this story accurately!
They aren't opening.
The essential list hasn't been updated.
They aren't ignoring restrictions.
They aren't striking out on their own.
I expect everyone will ignore the actual facts though and still pile onto this thread.
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:48 - Apr 29 with 1582 views | r2d2 |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:31 - Apr 29 by Ace_High1 |
Same with a lot of industries though. As Joe said the other day almost impossible to undertake construction keeping 2 metres apart but no one (company's or Government) really care about what REALLY happens. As long as we all say the right thing, if anything happens we can blame the staff for not following the rules. And then staff are compromised on site as don't want to be the ones to highlight it. |
Yes. This will happen a lot. Firms saying the right thing. Actually doing sod all about it. Employees daring not to say anything because they need their job. Firms making out no employee has said anything. So didnt realise there is a problem. I know, because my firm definitely works this way. Lots of people will be screwed over by their companies. [Post edited 29 Apr 2020 9:50]
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:48 - Apr 29 with 1580 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:24 - Apr 29 by StokieBlue |
Germany.
r0 of 0.7 to 1.0 in 5 days since reopening.
We should probably not be reopening places like Next for a while yet.
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Germany has eased restrictions FACT
r0 has increased from 0.7 to 1 FACT
r0 increased because shops reopened, FAKE NEWS
Germany may have acted too soon. Looks like it. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:51 - Apr 29 with 1547 views | ITFC_Forever |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:46 - Apr 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I’d head that the govt have budgeted for furlough to be extended until the end of August.
After that it simply can’t continue. |
Not good news for millions of people then. | |
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:53 - Apr 29 with 1538 views | NotSure |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:32 - Apr 29 by hype313 |
Yep, already happening in Germany. |
Germany new cases ...
27th April - 1,018
28th April - 1,144
29th April - 1,304
Against the maximum number of new cases of 6,294 on 28th March.
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| 'Next' reopening on 09:54 - Apr 29 with 1533 views | StokieBlue |
| 'Next' reopening on 09:48 - Apr 29 by Pinewoodblue |
Germany has eased restrictions FACT
r0 has increased from 0.7 to 1 FACT
r0 increased because shops reopened, FAKE NEWS
Germany may have acted too soon. Looks like it. |
Not sure you can make the statement you have in point 3.
Shops smaller than 800m^2 have reopened in Germany and thus one cannot dismiss the correlation. It means more people are able to be in proximity to each other.
Unless I've misunderstood your post?
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