| Oh aggers on 09:15 - May 14 with 4498 views | Steve_M |
I find Agnew a really good commentator but once he strays beyond that he is very mixed. Ronay probably has it right, a very think skilled middle-aged man. |  |
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| Oh aggers on 09:22 - May 14 with 4460 views | WD19 |
The whole thing is a bit of a reminder of what a bunch of schoolboys occupy the press room.
Bloke claiming moral high ground on mental health unnecessarily writes further article about another bloke (Agnew) behaving strangely and hinting that he might have mental health issues.....
..... Adding for equal measure that he doesn't think Agnew is racist, but mentioning that the target of Agnew's vitriol was Chinese.......which was presumably slotted in to the article simply as bait to try and get anther rise out of the bloke he has just decided has mental health issues and shouldn't take bait.....
Classy all round. |  | | |
| Oh aggers on 09:26 - May 14 with 4433 views | BrianTablet |
I think years of being cooped up with Boycott is taking its toll. |  |
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| Oh aggers on 09:28 - May 14 with 4430 views | gordon |
Yeah the stuff around Jofra Archer has been a bit odd - Chris Woakes publicly saying that he didn't think it would be fair if Archer was called up was bang out of order in my opinion, although perhaps more self-serving than anything else, given that they play similar roles.
But then, imagine if Moeen Ali publicly said that a call-up for Joe Denly would be unfair on the rest of the team - it would be treated with contempt. |  | | |
| Oh aggers on 09:37 - May 14 with 4391 views | gordon |
| Oh aggers on 09:22 - May 14 by WD19 |
The whole thing is a bit of a reminder of what a bunch of schoolboys occupy the press room.
Bloke claiming moral high ground on mental health unnecessarily writes further article about another bloke (Agnew) behaving strangely and hinting that he might have mental health issues.....
..... Adding for equal measure that he doesn't think Agnew is racist, but mentioning that the target of Agnew's vitriol was Chinese.......which was presumably slotted in to the article simply as bait to try and get anther rise out of the bloke he has just decided has mental health issues and shouldn't take bait.....
Classy all round. |
I think what Liew highlights though is a really important and difficult thing to talk about sensibly - the structural, embedded mild prejudices in society/sports are difficult to talk about because (like with the Danny Baker thing) the debate is always boiled down to a binary debate on whether person X is decided to be 'racist' or not.
The fact that in sport fans, the media and commentators have a different way of describing the appearance, behaviour, and talents of sportsmen based on their race is manifestly true, but something that's difficult to address and discuss without calling people out in a way which can seem to be unfair. | | | |
| Oh aggers on 09:54 - May 14 with 4361 views | BrianTablet |
| Oh aggers on 09:28 - May 14 by gordon |
Yeah the stuff around Jofra Archer has been a bit odd - Chris Woakes publicly saying that he didn't think it would be fair if Archer was called up was bang out of order in my opinion, although perhaps more self-serving than anything else, given that they play similar roles.
But then, imagine if Moeen Ali publicly said that a call-up for Joe Denly would be unfair on the rest of the team - it would be treated with contempt. |
Isn't it more of a nationality thing than a race thing?
Personally, I feel that there is no point to nation-based teams if the players aren't from those nations, and particularly where they grew up and competed for another country.
It started with Graham Hick and has just become ridiculous... in my opinion. | |
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| Oh aggers on 09:56 - May 14 with 4354 views | SomethingBlue |
| Oh aggers on 09:22 - May 14 by WD19 |
The whole thing is a bit of a reminder of what a bunch of schoolboys occupy the press room.
Bloke claiming moral high ground on mental health unnecessarily writes further article about another bloke (Agnew) behaving strangely and hinting that he might have mental health issues.....
..... Adding for equal measure that he doesn't think Agnew is racist, but mentioning that the target of Agnew's vitriol was Chinese.......which was presumably slotted in to the article simply as bait to try and get anther rise out of the bloke he has just decided has mental health issues and shouldn't take bait.....
Classy all round. |
Third par misses the point totally — he's just giving one reason why Liew might be interested in exploring, and indeed qualified to explore, such issues, and why one might wish to hear him out. Nothing about "getting a rise". Agnew behaved disgracefully in this instance. |  |
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| Oh aggers on 09:59 - May 14 with 4328 views | chicoazul |
HAhahahahahahaha |  |
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| Oh aggers on 10:00 - May 14 with 4328 views | gordon |
| Oh aggers on 09:54 - May 14 by BrianTablet |
Isn't it more of a nationality thing than a race thing?
Personally, I feel that there is no point to nation-based teams if the players aren't from those nations, and particularly where they grew up and competed for another country.
It started with Graham Hick and has just become ridiculous... in my opinion. |
That's right, but even when we nicked KP who was pretty obviously a tw*t no one was talking much about team morale etc. being affected by his inclusion (initially anyway). | | | |
| Oh aggers on 10:02 - May 14 with 4320 views | BrianTablet |
| Oh aggers on 09:37 - May 14 by gordon |
I think what Liew highlights though is a really important and difficult thing to talk about sensibly - the structural, embedded mild prejudices in society/sports are difficult to talk about because (like with the Danny Baker thing) the debate is always boiled down to a binary debate on whether person X is decided to be 'racist' or not.
The fact that in sport fans, the media and commentators have a different way of describing the appearance, behaviour, and talents of sportsmen based on their race is manifestly true, but something that's difficult to address and discuss without calling people out in a way which can seem to be unfair. |
Wouldn't it be a sign that we had equality when we could comment upon physical differences and not associate that with race/racism/etc? This binary racist/not racist thing means we are now at the point where physical characteristics can't be commented upon because of racial inferences.
Personally I wish we (in particular the media) would stop using the terms black and white to describe people. It just compounds the issue. Just say brown skin, peach skin, olive skin, whatever. Our society should reclaim skin colour as a physical description and not pigeon-hole everyone into a racial box. | |
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| Oh aggers on 10:02 - May 14 with 4321 views | Herbivore |
| Oh aggers on 09:54 - May 14 by BrianTablet |
Isn't it more of a nationality thing than a race thing?
Personally, I feel that there is no point to nation-based teams if the players aren't from those nations, and particularly where they grew up and competed for another country.
It started with Graham Hick and has just become ridiculous... in my opinion. |
It started much earlier than Hick. And as the article points out nobody uses this kind of language when Zimbabwe born white cricketer Gary Ballance was in the frame to be called up. |  |
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| Oh aggers on 10:09 - May 14 with 4290 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh aggers on 09:15 - May 14 by Steve_M |
I find Agnew a really good commentator but once he strays beyond that he is very mixed. Ronay probably has it right, a very think skilled middle-aged man. |
"think skilled"
It amazes me that people in the public eye, who are so established in their careers are still "thin skinned" and must be reading everything about themselves.
If I do a podcast I only skim through any feedback that comes on Twitter, my ego obviously isn't as fragile! And he has totally made it, he is the main man for TMS so why worry what people are saying like that? |  |
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| Oh aggers on 10:10 - May 14 with 4279 views | BrianTablet |
| Oh aggers on 10:00 - May 14 by gordon |
That's right, but even when we nicked KP who was pretty obviously a tw*t no one was talking much about team morale etc. being affected by his inclusion (initially anyway). |
But I think that's to do with the tight-knit 'team' mentality that has built up with central contracts, etc. It's bringing in 'an outsider' to that group. And the group includes Moeen Ali, Rashid and Jordan, so I personally don't thinks it's a 'racial' thing. I think it's more to do with a clic of players building up, something which helped our football squad do well at the world cup.
The fact that Archer is a fantastic cricketer and will undoubtedly replace one of the established clic is what is upsetting the players, and the fact that he has played cricket for Barbados probably means he needs - rightly or wrongly - to fight harder for inclusion into that clic. The same was true would be true for an Aussie, S African, etc. | |
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| Oh aggers on 10:11 - May 14 with 4276 views | WD19 |
| Oh aggers on 09:56 - May 14 by SomethingBlue |
Third par misses the point totally — he's just giving one reason why Liew might be interested in exploring, and indeed qualified to explore, such issues, and why one might wish to hear him out. Nothing about "getting a rise". Agnew behaved disgracefully in this instance. |
I read Liew's article when it was first published and I think the biggest issue is that he just didn't do it very well. It probably suffered from begin a truncated, clickbaity, 'daily' piece, but it was all very obvious, didn't really 'explore' anything and did pretty much directly suggest Agnew was racist. If you are exploring nuances and trying to stimulate adult debate then it wasn't a great way to go about it.
Doesn't excuse Agnews behaviour in any way. | | | |
| Oh aggers on 10:11 - May 14 with 4274 views | BrianTablet |
| Oh aggers on 10:02 - May 14 by Herbivore |
It started much earlier than Hick. And as the article points out nobody uses this kind of language when Zimbabwe born white cricketer Gary Ballance was in the frame to be called up. |
What language are they using?
(Genuine question) | |
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| Oh aggers on 10:12 - May 14 with 4267 views | Herbivore |
| Oh aggers on 10:11 - May 14 by BrianTablet |
What language are they using?
(Genuine question) |
Read the article. | |
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| Oh aggers on 10:21 - May 14 with 4230 views | Ftnfwest |
| Oh aggers on 09:54 - May 14 by BrianTablet |
Isn't it more of a nationality thing than a race thing?
Personally, I feel that there is no point to nation-based teams if the players aren't from those nations, and particularly where they grew up and competed for another country.
It started with Graham Hick and has just become ridiculous... in my opinion. |
The ECCB changed its rules in November i think it was to reduce the residency period for overseas players in terms of qualification (from 7 to 3, otherwise Archer wouldn't have been available until next year). So i guess certain players in the existing squad (definitely fast bowlers) might be a bit resistant to the idea of him being parachuted in. Archer though has an English parent and in terms of qualification it's the same situation as with Pietersen years ago, its just being implied that it's now racist with this situation. God know what Agnew's on though. |  | | |
| Oh aggers on 10:22 - May 14 with 4223 views | Ftnfwest |
| Oh aggers on 10:00 - May 14 by gordon |
That's right, but even when we nicked KP who was pretty obviously a tw*t no one was talking much about team morale etc. being affected by his inclusion (initially anyway). |
this is centered around a rule change though plus we are currently nr 1 in the rankings at one day whereas in 2005 at test level we needed all the help we could get! | | | |
| Oh aggers on 10:24 - May 14 with 4220 views | Steve_M |
| Oh aggers on 10:09 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
"think skilled"
It amazes me that people in the public eye, who are so established in their careers are still "thin skinned" and must be reading everything about themselves.
If I do a podcast I only skim through any feedback that comes on Twitter, my ego obviously isn't as fragile! And he has totally made it, he is the main man for TMS so why worry what people are saying like that? |
FFS.
It's odd isn't it? Agnew isn't the only one but there are plenty of people on Twitter who clearly are unable to cope with any criticism.
In his case, someone bought me one of his books once, there were readable bits but the whole thing was a set up to the Johnson "leg over" incident, something that was mildly amusing at the time but stands up about as well as Delboy falling through a bar once it's been recounted hundreds of times. | |
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| Oh aggers on 10:26 - May 14 with 4206 views | Ftnfwest |
| Oh aggers on 10:02 - May 14 by Herbivore |
It started much earlier than Hick. And as the article points out nobody uses this kind of language when Zimbabwe born white cricketer Gary Ballance was in the frame to be called up. |
Ballance qualified purely through residency rather than actually having an English parent like Archer and Pietersen (and the latter had had far more stick over his qualification than either of the others, which is purely because of his personality otherwise Ballance would have had more criticism). | | | |
| Oh aggers on 10:55 - May 14 with 4131 views | Bobbychase |
Barney Roney used the word trope. He clearly is a c... |  |
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| Oh aggers on 12:08 - May 14 with 3991 views | Reuser_is_God |
Really good article that. |  |
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| Oh aggers on 12:09 - May 14 with 3988 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Oh aggers on 10:02 - May 14 by Herbivore |
It started much earlier than Hick. And as the article points out nobody uses this kind of language when Zimbabwe born white cricketer Gary Ballance was in the frame to be called up. |
Ballance should never have played for England.
He is sh1t. | |
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| Oh aggers on 14:57 - May 14 with 3864 views | Guthrum |
| Oh aggers on 10:09 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
"think skilled"
It amazes me that people in the public eye, who are so established in their careers are still "thin skinned" and must be reading everything about themselves.
If I do a podcast I only skim through any feedback that comes on Twitter, my ego obviously isn't as fragile! And he has totally made it, he is the main man for TMS so why worry what people are saying like that? |
He's still human and not all top media personalities are entirely inwardly secure.
Moreover, accusations of racism (even nuanced ones suggesting unconscious bias) could be seriously damaging to his career. |  |
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