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✂️Cut rail fares by 33% from Jan 2020 👍Save the average commuter £1097/yr ✔️Fair fares for part-time workers 🎫Deliver a simple, London-style ticketing system nationwide 👛Free rail travel for under 16s
Backed, I think a 3rd off is fair for investment back if public owned. At the minute they charge double the cost of transporting commuters on a sh1te service to line the pockets of shareholders. Part time tickets have also needed to be a thing for far too long, as well as a simplier ticket/price structure.
I'd actually happily pay for trains knowing it was for the greater good of the nation.
"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything."
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:37 - Dec 3 by Radlett_blue
If rail fares are reduced (and Britain does subsidise its railways by the lowest amount in Europe) the main beneficiaries will be commuters based in the South-East of England. Those who don't use the railways and use cars (drivers pay way above in fuel tax & car excise duty what is needed for our road network) won't necessarily be happy.
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People should be encouraged, by smart legislation, to use public transport. If through taxation we lower the prices of travelling by rail, and increase how much it costs to own and use a car, then all to the benefit of reducing our carbon emissions. And voters should recognise this unless they're turkeys voting for Xmas.
anyone know what today's free stuff is going to be? i'm holding out for at least one of the main utilities being completely free before i'll vote for them.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:53 - Dec 3 with 666 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:41 - Dec 3 by Superfrans
Presumably by operating it as a break even service, rather than pocketing the profits as private firms need to?
This is it.
I mean, there's been too many 'free' promises and if JC and co had packaged this campaign as a view to nationalise*, reduce fares as much is possible but to ensure all profit goes back into infrastructure and improving services, with a guarantee that nothing bleeds out into ridiculous bonuses et al, then maybe more people would be on board - as it were.
The public shouldn't be held to ransom by private firms and their shareholders for trying to get to work etc.
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Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck.
Nope, dunno what it is.
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:53 - Dec 3 by jeera
This is it.
I mean, there's been too many 'free' promises and if JC and co had packaged this campaign as a view to nationalise*, reduce fares as much is possible but to ensure all profit goes back into infrastructure and improving services, with a guarantee that nothing bleeds out into ridiculous bonuses et al, then maybe more people would be on board - as it were.
The public shouldn't be held to ransom by private firms and their shareholders for trying to get to work etc.
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we're seeing the return of pork barrel politics.
need the support of a particular union to win a conference vote? give them more guards on trains.
need to win over a difficult backbencher? put a train maintenance yard in her constituency.
difficult by-election? i'm sure they have a station that needs refurbishing.
general election coming up? let's cut the price of season tickets.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 09:02 - Dec 3 with 645 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:02 - Dec 3 by BrixtonBlue
Every commuter is 'well to do' are they?
All train fares are way too expensive... that's even assuming you get a train and not a replacement bus.
Anyone who doesn't like this proposal is either not a frequent train user or mad.
Let be precise there though - 40% of train fares will be unaffected and actually go up 2.7% in line with the latest rises.
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“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 11:48 - Dec 3 with 543 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 11:48 - Dec 3 by Sacrebleu
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.
January depression soon to follow.
i've heard that rather than releasing a manifesto labour considered doing it as an advent calendar. doesn't seem to much behind the little door today though
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:38 - Dec 3 with 494 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:37 - Dec 3 by Radlett_blue
If rail fares are reduced (and Britain does subsidise its railways by the lowest amount in Europe) the main beneficiaries will be commuters based in the South-East of England. Those who don't use the railways and use cars (drivers pay way above in fuel tax & car excise duty what is needed for our road network) won't necessarily be happy.
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People commute into London from all sides, why do you focus on the South-East?
Labour's plans for the trains. on 08:52 - Dec 3 by lowhouseblue
anyone know what today's free stuff is going to be? i'm holding out for at least one of the main utilities being completely free before i'll vote for them.
I see you've gone from 'straight out lying' into 'desperate belittling as well as lying' mode now.
Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:44 - Dec 3 by BrixtonBlue
I see you've gone from 'straight out lying' into 'desperate belittling as well as lying' mode now.
You're not really a fan of democracy are you?
look, democracy means my vote is important. so if labour want it I expect either free electricity or free water. both are necessities. unless they up the offer from just free broadband they can count me out.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:47 - Dec 3 with 473 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:46 - Dec 3 by lowhouseblue
look, democracy means my vote is important. so if labour want it I expect either free electricity or free water. both are necessities. unless they up the offer from just free broadband they can count me out.
dolly, why the down arrow? i'm prepared to negotiate. i'm sure you can speak on corbyn's behalf - what free packages on mobile phones is he prepared to offer? if he can go to a free 20gb of data we might still have a deal?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 13:08 - Dec 3 with 417 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:45 - Dec 3 by BrixtonBlue
You mean the poor public transport under 10 years of Tory austerity?
That doesn't alter the fact that some of the poorest people in Britain will made worse off by this policy because of their location.
I support a number of Labour's policies but this one from a social justice/equality point of view looks ill thought out and more concerned with winning votes in marginal constituencies.
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Labour's plans for the trains. on 13:10 - Dec 3 with 408 views
Labour's plans for the trains. on 12:44 - Dec 3 by BrixtonBlue
I see you've gone from 'straight out lying' into 'desperate belittling as well as lying' mode now.
You're not really a fan of democracy are you?
He does have a point though Dolly. Lots of good stuff in the Labour manifesto but also an awful lot of promises with more coming out almost daily that aren't in there.
If they gain power it's going to be hard to implement them all and please everyone. Lots of people will have voted for them for lots of different things and will expect whichever one they voted for to be implemented.
I know you aren't like that - you are happy if the general gist of the manifesto is implemented (as would be very many people) and if some things get lost by the wayside then so be it. A lot of people won't be like that - remember what happened to the Lib Dems over tuition fees.
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“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."
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