| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:24 - May 23 with 2032 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:14 - May 23 by DanTheMan |
"All we know is nobody knows."
Or that there is very little, if any, evidence to indicate there are aliens visiting the planet. Otherwise you can say that about anything with a lack of evidence.
Is it feasible? Yeah, sure. There could be an advanced alien race out there.
Are the visiting here? Seems very unlikely. Why go into all the effort of coming to a planet only to piss around getting filmed in a grainy manner before pissing off? Seems a bit pointless. If they are so advanced they could visit from another world which would be a very significant distance away then it seems unlikely they'd be bothered about being caught here, or that we would even be able to detect their presence in the first place. |
Not sure they would necessarily leave much evidence. When humans discover a new species in the Amazon rainforest, is that species aware of us?
The films are grainy largely because they're military cameras on fast moving jets, used more for detection than aesthetics.
I don't think it seems anymore unlikely that curious aliens would check us out, than we humans would check anything out.
"it seems unlikely they'd be bothered about being caught here" - odd comment to make! You're putting human sensibilities onto an alien life form. They might even have different senses to us, let alone have any notion of what being "bothered" or "caught" is. [Post edited 23 May 2021 19:21]
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:24 - May 23 with 2032 views | DanTheMan |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:19 - May 23 by J2BLUE |
Agree with this but there's some interesting stuff about.
People recalling abductions under hypnosis. People having implants removed and finding they are meteorite in origin etc.
Just to be clear this is unconfirmed obviously ^. Usually this 'evidence' is presented by those with an interest in being proven right and it can't be verified. Interesting to think about though.
Oh and while you're here Dan...astral projection? Any thoughts? Reddit fascinates me... |
If you're the sort of person who believes they've been abducted by aliens, they going to hypnosis is surely just going to end up confirming what you're already thinking? Is there any real evidence that what they describe are real?
From what I've seen of previous people who have described these abductions there is almost no correlation between what they are saying, and usually it seems more influenced by film than anything else. Unless we are talking there being multiple different alien species visiting the planet which is getting into the realms of insanely unlikely. They also mostly seem to describe the aliens as humanoid, which again seems crazily unlikely. I find it bizarre we think than at alien species would so closely mirror our own.
As for astral projection... I'm sure what people are experiencing feels real, but it's a no from me. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:30 - May 23 with 2011 views | DanTheMan |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:24 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not sure they would necessarily leave much evidence. When humans discover a new species in the Amazon rainforest, is that species aware of us?
The films are grainy largely because they're military cameras on fast moving jets, used more for detection than aesthetics.
I don't think it seems anymore unlikely that curious aliens would check us out, than we humans would check anything out.
"it seems unlikely they'd be bothered about being caught here" - odd comment to make! You're putting human sensibilities onto an alien life form. They might even have different senses to us, let alone have any notion of what being "bothered" or "caught" is. [Post edited 23 May 2021 19:21]
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"Not sure they would necessarily leave much evidence. When humans discover a new species in the Amazon rainforest, is that species aware of us?"
Potentially yes, we can't ask them without being able to communicate with them. I'm sure they can see us and would react to us. But back on topic we're talking about two advanced civilisations with one obviously being far enough along that we're comparing apples and oranges.
"The films are grainy largely because they're military cameras on fast moving jets, used more for detection than aesthetics."
Exactly, strange that we never get anything except this isn't it?
"I don't think it seems anymore unlikely that curious aliens would check us out, that we humans would check anything out."
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but just constantly zipping in and flying around for a bit in a way that's hard to track and then leaving again? And doing that repeatedly? Seems farfetched. They would have to have come and incredible distance, why would you bother?
""it seems unlikely they'd be bothered about being caught here" - odd comment to make! You're putting human sensibilities onto an alien life form. They might even have different senses to us, let alone have any notion of what being "bothered" or "caught" is."
Well no not really, you're putting a human emotion of curiosity on them so I don't see why I should not ask why they seem very intent on not being photographed or witnessed here. After all, as above, they only ever seem to get photographed or videoed in a way that makes it very difficult to determine what they are. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:04 - May 23 with 1973 views | footers |
Here is the rub of all this nonsense:
1) Aliens most likely do exist in the universe given how large it is. How intelligent these things may be, who knows. People would be disappointed by a race of space slugs I suspect.
2) The US military have been testing these kind of new vehicles and weapons for decades and been getting hicks to believe in proper alien UFOs to disguise it.
So, make your mind up which is more likely to be happening. Not hard, is it? |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:04 - May 23 with 1967 views | BlueNomad |
Apparently Will Smith has had his leave cancelled. |  | | |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:16 - May 23 with 1958 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:19 - May 23 by jeera |
You can tell him he's wrong about it, I'm not.
He used the word 'relatively' deliberately I should think.
He might have said comparatively I suppose.
Given the time it takes for a planet to form, and then create life etc, he's probably got a point. |
I didn't say he's wrong I asked what he's basing it on. It seems you've missed something out, or perhaps misheard. Just in our own solar system, Jupiter and Mars are more than 100 million years older than Earth. Our galaxy is around 9 billion years older than the Earth. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:18 - May 23 with 1956 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:22 - May 23 by positivity |
all possible.
however, i've read somewhere else that (because of the vast amount of time involved), that it'd be unlikely that an advanced civilisation would survive long enough to be around when another advanced civilisation is simultaneously extant |
I've heard that. But frankly, we don't know. It's all guesswork. How can we say what's "likely" in the far reaches of space? | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:20 - May 23 with 1955 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:23 - May 23 by Herbivore |
I'm just questioning the evidence, which is what someone with a genuinely open mind ought to do. |
"Ah okay, so from lots of clips, often of different unidentified objects. That's me convinced it's advanced alien tech."
That doesn't sound like an open-minded person questioning the evidence. It sounds like someone belittling and dismissing the evidence in a very condescending way. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:23 - May 23 with 1946 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 17:14 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What I mean is, they releasing a report (because it's been made law that they have to, and they have until early June to do so). I wasn't actually commenting on the videos because, as you say, they've confirmed them to be real before. |
I'm not convinced that being made to release a report has ever uncovered anything much in the US except for a few select occasions.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:23 - May 23 with 1947 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:24 - May 23 by DanTheMan |
If you're the sort of person who believes they've been abducted by aliens, they going to hypnosis is surely just going to end up confirming what you're already thinking? Is there any real evidence that what they describe are real?
From what I've seen of previous people who have described these abductions there is almost no correlation between what they are saying, and usually it seems more influenced by film than anything else. Unless we are talking there being multiple different alien species visiting the planet which is getting into the realms of insanely unlikely. They also mostly seem to describe the aliens as humanoid, which again seems crazily unlikely. I find it bizarre we think than at alien species would so closely mirror our own.
As for astral projection... I'm sure what people are experiencing feels real, but it's a no from me. |
Maybe a human-like form is what works best given the physics of the universe. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:25 - May 23 with 1943 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 16:39 - May 23 by jeera |
American military all day for me.
There's good reason so many sightings are by straw chewing sorts out on the middle of nowhere.
Where better to trial out your new sh1t than in places where no one is going to believe a word some backwater yokel says?
Not referring to the claims about probes, I have no idea what that's all about. |
These are videos taken by highly advanced cameras mounted under the wings of US military fighter jets so the context is very different to those examples.
That still doesn't mean they aren't the US military, the parts on the machine don't speak to each other and there is 40bn a year disappearing into black projects every year for 50 years. It must have been spent on something.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:27 - May 23 with 1941 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 17:32 - May 23 by 26_Paz |
There seems to be increased activity around military (particularly nuclear) installations as well.
I saw an article the other day suggesting the kinds of technology being seen is circa 1000 years ahead of what we have. |
It's impossible to equate things in that way. Go back 200 years and our tech now would look 1000 years ahead, some of it like your mobile phone would simply look like magic.
Technological progress increases with technology capability, nothing shown in the videos is beyond our comprehension, just the people viewing it don't know how to do it.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:29 - May 23 with 1937 views | jeera |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:16 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't say he's wrong I asked what he's basing it on. It seems you've missed something out, or perhaps misheard. Just in our own solar system, Jupiter and Mars are more than 100 million years older than Earth. Our galaxy is around 9 billion years older than the Earth. |
Oi, excuse me. I repeated some words he said.
That's it.
You are coming from an angle where you've decided something is already true and are willing to bend accordingly to make it fit.
I know how old the Universe is. (As far as we're told anyway. I didn't calculate it myself).
And I'm pretty sure he has an idea too, but I'll email him telling him if you think he isn't aware.
Edit: just to add, you've quoted our own Solar system a few times. On the scale of things Universally, our 'relatively' changes somewhat when considering averages I should think.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:37 - May 23 with 1929 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:30 - May 23 by DanTheMan |
"Not sure they would necessarily leave much evidence. When humans discover a new species in the Amazon rainforest, is that species aware of us?"
Potentially yes, we can't ask them without being able to communicate with them. I'm sure they can see us and would react to us. But back on topic we're talking about two advanced civilisations with one obviously being far enough along that we're comparing apples and oranges.
"The films are grainy largely because they're military cameras on fast moving jets, used more for detection than aesthetics."
Exactly, strange that we never get anything except this isn't it?
"I don't think it seems anymore unlikely that curious aliens would check us out, that we humans would check anything out."
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but just constantly zipping in and flying around for a bit in a way that's hard to track and then leaving again? And doing that repeatedly? Seems farfetched. They would have to have come and incredible distance, why would you bother?
""it seems unlikely they'd be bothered about being caught here" - odd comment to make! You're putting human sensibilities onto an alien life form. They might even have different senses to us, let alone have any notion of what being "bothered" or "caught" is."
Well no not really, you're putting a human emotion of curiosity on them so I don't see why I should not ask why they seem very intent on not being photographed or witnessed here. After all, as above, they only ever seem to get photographed or videoed in a way that makes it very difficult to determine what they are. |
Agreed, I'm just as guilty putting "curiosity" onto an alien life form, but it would at least explain why they'd come here.
You seem to agree with me on Amazonian life forms - some will have spotted us, some won't. Alien life forms might be as far removed from us in evolutionary terms as we are from a newly discovered spider in the Amazon. Maybe aliens are hard to detect because they move too fast, or use a material which just happens to be hard to detect, or they make use of another dimension we don't have access to. The spider finds it difficult to detect our presence, but that doesn't mean we don't exist.
Not sure how you can say anything's "farfetched" in regards to what an alien might do. Again, this is applying human characteristics. You say they have to come an incredible distance. To us! Maybe it's not an incredible distance with their technology! | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:37 - May 23 with 1929 views | Pendejo |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:04 - May 23 by footers |
Here is the rub of all this nonsense:
1) Aliens most likely do exist in the universe given how large it is. How intelligent these things may be, who knows. People would be disappointed by a race of space slugs I suspect.
2) The US military have been testing these kind of new vehicles and weapons for decades and been getting hicks to believe in proper alien UFOs to disguise it.
So, make your mind up which is more likely to be happening. Not hard, is it? |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:41 - May 23 with 1923 views | LeoMuff |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 18:14 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The Earth is very young compared to lots of stuff in the universe. What was he comparing it to? Earth's not even the oldest planet in our solar system.
"Assuming they for one; had somehow remarkably discovered we existed and two, had the means to get here, and three; as I say, think we're worth bothering with."
1. If their tech is 1000's or millions of years more advanced than ours, then they certainly could discover we exist.
2. See 1.
3. Curiosity. If it's anything like human curiosity then yes I can totally see them checking us out. |
On probability alone we are not the only planet with intelligent life forms. Maybe they visited before humans were on this planet, it’s really not that long a timeframe. Or they are advanced enough to stay undetected.
Maybe they are among us but are so advanced we have no idea how or where to look for their communication , like expecting an ant to use an iPhone. |  |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:46 - May 23 with 1917 views | XYZ |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:18 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've heard that. But frankly, we don't know. It's all guesswork. How can we say what's "likely" in the far reaches of space? |
It's not "all guesswork". There are universal laws of physics (ask Prof. Brian Cox!) - if you're asking for those to be set aside whilst you're fantacising, then you can't ask to be taken too seriously. |  | | |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:46 - May 23 with 1914 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:23 - May 23 by StokieBlue |
I'm not convinced that being made to release a report has ever uncovered anything much in the US except for a few select occasions.
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The whole point of the thread was to discuss what it might be. Or we could just wait and see. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:48 - May 23 with 1908 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:25 - May 23 by StokieBlue |
These are videos taken by highly advanced cameras mounted under the wings of US military fighter jets so the context is very different to those examples.
That still doesn't mean they aren't the US military, the parts on the machine don't speak to each other and there is 40bn a year disappearing into black projects every year for 50 years. It must have been spent on something.
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You'd still think the Pentagon knows what's going on with their own military?
I appreciate when they say they don't know what they are, they could be lying. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:52 - May 23 with 1899 views | PhilTWTD |
And more importantly, when are Town going to make their first extraterrestrial signing? |  | | |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:52 - May 23 with 1893 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:29 - May 23 by jeera |
Oi, excuse me. I repeated some words he said.
That's it.
You are coming from an angle where you've decided something is already true and are willing to bend accordingly to make it fit.
I know how old the Universe is. (As far as we're told anyway. I didn't calculate it myself).
And I'm pretty sure he has an idea too, but I'll email him telling him if you think he isn't aware.
Edit: just to add, you've quoted our own Solar system a few times. On the scale of things Universally, our 'relatively' changes somewhat when considering averages I should think.
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Indeed, that's why I'm asking the context. No need to get uppity!
"You are coming from an angle where you've decided something is already true and are willing to bend accordingly to make it fit."
That's a huge leap given what I've said on the subject. Where have I decided something is true? | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:55 - May 23 with 1889 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:41 - May 23 by LeoMuff |
On probability alone we are not the only planet with intelligent life forms. Maybe they visited before humans were on this planet, it’s really not that long a timeframe. Or they are advanced enough to stay undetected.
Maybe they are among us but are so advanced we have no idea how or where to look for their communication , like expecting an ant to use an iPhone. |
Indeed. Or maybe they put us here and are keeping a check on their pets! | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:57 - May 23 with 1888 views | LeoMuff |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:55 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Or maybe they put us here and are keeping a check on their pets! |
Or maybe we are just a virtual reality game for a more advanced life form. | |
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 20:39 - May 23 with 1874 views | StokieBlue |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:48 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You'd still think the Pentagon knows what's going on with their own military?
I appreciate when they say they don't know what they are, they could be lying. |
I'm honestly not sure they do in many cases.
For instance, it's well known that presidents don't have a high enough clearance to know what goes on in many black projects because they are transient.
As you say, it's also highly likely they would lie.
It's also possible they have no clue what they are. I don't think any other nation would be able to build them though given the sheer expenditure in black projects in the US versus the rest of the world.
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| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 20:44 - May 23 with 1864 views | 26_Paz |
| So, are the Pentagon about to tell us UFOs are real in a couple of weeks? on 19:55 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Or maybe they put us here and are keeping a check on their pets! |
They could well have seeded us hundreds of thousands of years ago. Maybe they have a purpose for us, maybe we are just some kind of experiment, maybe they are just curious. Who knows. |  |
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