| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... 12:56 - Dec 3 with 3799 views | monytowbray |
I beg you to watch this and tell me why you’re still going to do so.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/68553-001
This is a serious request.
Watch it and tell me why you still feel justified in your actions. I am genuinely curious. I want to know what makes 1 in 3 children living that way okay with you. Tell me what makes you happy about the fact the current regime believes the people in this documentary are lazy and have no one to blame but themselves. Tell me these people have the same opportunities everyone in this country have and they’re simply not taking advantage of them because they want the moon on a stick.
Thank you. [Post edited 3 Dec 2019 12:57]
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:36 - Dec 3 with 1738 views | BloomBlue |
It's not a perfect world but you need businesses and without businesses you dont have a public sector because its businesses which drive the taxes which pays for the public sector. Labour's anti business approach will only drive businesses out of this country reducing the tax volume and only make the current situation worse.
I was hopeful Labour in this GE would change to a business friendly approach but no they haven't, all they're doing is kicking the poverty down the road |  | | |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:44 - Dec 3 with 1729 views | BlueBadger |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:36 - Dec 3 by BloomBlue |
It's not a perfect world but you need businesses and without businesses you dont have a public sector because its businesses which drive the taxes which pays for the public sector. Labour's anti business approach will only drive businesses out of this country reducing the tax volume and only make the current situation worse.
I was hopeful Labour in this GE would change to a business friendly approach but no they haven't, all they're doing is kicking the poverty down the road |
Tory Brexit plans will shaft more businesses than a few big companies having to actually pay some tax contributions. |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:45 - Dec 3 with 1719 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:36 - Dec 3 by BloomBlue |
It's not a perfect world but you need businesses and without businesses you dont have a public sector because its businesses which drive the taxes which pays for the public sector. Labour's anti business approach will only drive businesses out of this country reducing the tax volume and only make the current situation worse.
I was hopeful Labour in this GE would change to a business friendly approach but no they haven't, all they're doing is kicking the poverty down the road |
What is anti business about Labour in your view? Or do you mean anti-Privatisation and employee/tax exploitation which is quite different?
I wouldn’t class monopolies on living essentials (utilities/transport) successful businesses. I wouldn’t say any business that has grossly rich share holders dodging tax whilst paying staff on zero hour contracts and having the state top up their wages to afford to live are successful either.
Your post still doesn’t address if you watched it and how you feel voting for a party that will actively make it worse in the name of “business” as you put it. [Post edited 3 Dec 2019 13:50]
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:46 - Dec 3 with 1713 views | haynes_toe1 |
I'd imagine because they don't believe the other parties are likely to do any better.
Certainly my view. |  | | |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:49 - Dec 3 with 1696 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:46 - Dec 3 by haynes_toe1 |
I'd imagine because they don't believe the other parties are likely to do any better.
Certainly my view. |
What specifically do you base that view on? | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:51 - Dec 3 with 1689 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:44 - Dec 3 by BlueBadger |
Tory Brexit plans will shaft more businesses than a few big companies having to actually pay some tax contributions. |
Madness innit. I can't believe that people have the nerve to criticise other parties for being "anti-business" when the Tories are on the cusp of implementing the largest act of self-harm this country has ever seen, which is opposed by all the UK's leading business organisations.
The financial impact of the Tory manifesto is far worse than Labour's or anyone else's; they've just conveniently forgot to cost in the price of Brexit.
And people still support it  |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:29 - Dec 3 with 1626 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:36 - Dec 3 by BloomBlue |
It's not a perfect world but you need businesses and without businesses you dont have a public sector because its businesses which drive the taxes which pays for the public sector. Labour's anti business approach will only drive businesses out of this country reducing the tax volume and only make the current situation worse.
I was hopeful Labour in this GE would change to a business friendly approach but no they haven't, all they're doing is kicking the poverty down the road |
If you think businesses are going to leave this huge customer base because they're going to have to pay a bit more tax you're deluded. |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:31 - Dec 3 with 1619 views | chrisswailes |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:31 - Dec 3 with 1620 views | Herbivore |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:51 - Dec 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Madness innit. I can't believe that people have the nerve to criticise other parties for being "anti-business" when the Tories are on the cusp of implementing the largest act of self-harm this country has ever seen, which is opposed by all the UK's leading business organisations.
The financial impact of the Tory manifesto is far worse than Labour's or anyone else's; they've just conveniently forgot to cost in the price of Brexit.
And people still support it |
What was Boris Johnson's view on business again? It was certainly quite succinct and not very positive as I recall. | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:48 - Dec 3 with 1597 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Firstly - I haven’t watched the video as I’m at work and haven’t had time to do so. However I assume it illustrates some of the conditions children are living in at the extreme end of the poverty spectrum, which I’m sure anyone would agree is a massive issue and a cause for concern
However, some context is needed - these from FullFact are pretty good at illustrating that the poverty level is broadly unchanged by most metrics since the Tories came into power (or indeed since the start of the Millennium)
https://fullfact.org/election-2019/child-poverty-trends-since-2010/
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/
Would this Labour Party change that? There’s definitely an argument that they may, however I think it’s also fair to consider the validity of a number of their promises given the ever increasing cost of the manifesto. I would suggest that is a key reason why people who may have been inclined to agree with you may look elsewhere with their votes
I would also suggest that the comment ‘the current regime believes the people in this documentary are lazy and have no one to blame but themselves’ is a rather needless broadbrush statement that completely defeats any valid points you make |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:40 - Dec 3 with 1545 views | Radlett_blue |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:48 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Firstly - I haven’t watched the video as I’m at work and haven’t had time to do so. However I assume it illustrates some of the conditions children are living in at the extreme end of the poverty spectrum, which I’m sure anyone would agree is a massive issue and a cause for concern
However, some context is needed - these from FullFact are pretty good at illustrating that the poverty level is broadly unchanged by most metrics since the Tories came into power (or indeed since the start of the Millennium)
https://fullfact.org/election-2019/child-poverty-trends-since-2010/
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/
Would this Labour Party change that? There’s definitely an argument that they may, however I think it’s also fair to consider the validity of a number of their promises given the ever increasing cost of the manifesto. I would suggest that is a key reason why people who may have been inclined to agree with you may look elsewhere with their votes
I would also suggest that the comment ‘the current regime believes the people in this documentary are lazy and have no one to blame but themselves’ is a rather needless broadbrush statement that completely defeats any valid points you make |
While there definitely are some poor people who are struggling through little fault of their own and the country has become far too unequal, "poverty" is a much abused term since the definition became one relative to median income. This means that (technically) we could all be millionaires, but still a large number of people would be defined as in poverty. |  | | |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:59 - Dec 3 with 1526 views | jas0999 |
I won’t be voting Labour whilst Corbyn is at the helm. | | | |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:01 - Dec 3 with 1516 views | jeera |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:59 - Dec 3 by jas0999 |
I won’t be voting Labour whilst Corbyn is at the helm. |
Explain why.
500 words:
Go! |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:04 - Dec 3 with 1510 views | jeera |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:40 - Dec 3 by Radlett_blue |
While there definitely are some poor people who are struggling through little fault of their own and the country has become far too unequal, "poverty" is a much abused term since the definition became one relative to median income. This means that (technically) we could all be millionaires, but still a large number of people would be defined as in poverty. |
I don't know if there's any reason to disbelieve Shelter when they state this though:
https://news.sky.com/story/british-child-becomes-homeless-every-eight-minutes-sh | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:06 - Dec 3 with 1508 views | jeera |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 13:36 - Dec 3 by BloomBlue |
It's not a perfect world but you need businesses and without businesses you dont have a public sector because its businesses which drive the taxes which pays for the public sector. Labour's anti business approach will only drive businesses out of this country reducing the tax volume and only make the current situation worse.
I was hopeful Labour in this GE would change to a business friendly approach but no they haven't, all they're doing is kicking the poverty down the road |
How is Labour anti-business?
What do you make of many businesses feeling Brexit could be severely damaging? | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:11 - Dec 3 with 1492 views | Dubtractor |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:59 - Dec 3 by jas0999 |
I won’t be voting Labour whilst Corbyn is at the helm. |
Yeah. so you said. |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:12 - Dec 3 with 1488 views | J2BLUE |
Agree with the sentiment. Not sure demanding people tell you why they feel 'justified' is a particularly good tactic though. |  |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:23 - Dec 3 with 1472 views | jeera |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:12 - Dec 3 by J2BLUE |
Agree with the sentiment. Not sure demanding people tell you why they feel 'justified' is a particularly good tactic though. |
I can understand his point though. It can be hard to get a straight answer from people when all you want is to understand their viewpoint.
I upset some bloke on FB today. A mutual friend had posted about the NHS and this fella put something about preferring this lot to letting that clown [Corbyn of course] destroy it.
When someone asked what he meant he replied "I've got my reasons".
I took the piss and he went into one.
What kind of answer is that though?
"This is my opinion"
"OK, why's that then?"
"I'm not telling - it's a secret". | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:58 - Dec 3 with 1438 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 16:48 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Firstly - I haven’t watched the video as I’m at work and haven’t had time to do so. However I assume it illustrates some of the conditions children are living in at the extreme end of the poverty spectrum, which I’m sure anyone would agree is a massive issue and a cause for concern
However, some context is needed - these from FullFact are pretty good at illustrating that the poverty level is broadly unchanged by most metrics since the Tories came into power (or indeed since the start of the Millennium)
https://fullfact.org/election-2019/child-poverty-trends-since-2010/
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/
Would this Labour Party change that? There’s definitely an argument that they may, however I think it’s also fair to consider the validity of a number of their promises given the ever increasing cost of the manifesto. I would suggest that is a key reason why people who may have been inclined to agree with you may look elsewhere with their votes
I would also suggest that the comment ‘the current regime believes the people in this documentary are lazy and have no one to blame but themselves’ is a rather needless broadbrush statement that completely defeats any valid points you make |
“I haven’t looked at the source material but...”
:S | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:01 - Dec 3 with 1433 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:23 - Dec 3 by jeera |
I can understand his point though. It can be hard to get a straight answer from people when all you want is to understand their viewpoint.
I upset some bloke on FB today. A mutual friend had posted about the NHS and this fella put something about preferring this lot to letting that clown [Corbyn of course] destroy it.
When someone asked what he meant he replied "I've got my reasons".
I took the piss and he went into one.
What kind of answer is that though?
"This is my opinion"
"OK, why's that then?"
"I'm not telling - it's a secret". |
This is my exact point. As I said, I just want a sensible answer as to why people feel they have no responsibility towards more vulnerable people and are fine with what the video entails. The rhetoric of “I don’t like the way you asked me that question” is deflection really. | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:02 - Dec 3 with 1427 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 17:40 - Dec 3 by Radlett_blue |
While there definitely are some poor people who are struggling through little fault of their own and the country has become far too unequal, "poverty" is a much abused term since the definition became one relative to median income. This means that (technically) we could all be millionaires, but still a large number of people would be defined as in poverty. |
Did you watch the video? | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:03 - Dec 3 with 1416 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 18:58 - Dec 3 by monytowbray |
“I haven’t looked at the source material but...”
:S |
I was upfront about that as I was aware my response may have completely missed the point of the video.
If it did then more than happy for you to explain why | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:05 - Dec 3 with 1410 views | monytowbray |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:03 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I was upfront about that as I was aware my response may have completely missed the point of the video.
If it did then more than happy for you to explain why |
If you watched the video you’d know why. | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:11 - Dec 3 with 1395 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:05 - Dec 3 by monytowbray |
If you watched the video you’d know why. |
My assumption that it depicts children living in appalling poverty is presumably wrong then - any chance of a synopsis as I need to head out in a minute so unlikely I’ll get a chance to watch anytime soon? | |
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| Tories of TWTD or those refusing to tactically vote this election.... on 19:12 - Dec 3 with 1394 views | Vic |
I'll probably vote Tory because although there is much I don't agree with about them, and I really don't like Johnson, I dsimy don't trust labour with the countries finances. I dont therefore believe the pledges in their manifesto. It's all good (well some of it is good!) in theory, but the finance models of other countries Corbyn has praised havnt produced the goods. (Venezeula anyone?!) |  |
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