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GE maps by age group 22:30 - Dec 30 with 3572 viewsSouperJim

Quite shocked by this, I expected a general trend towards labour the younger the voter, but the extent of the divide is massive.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-map-uk-young-old-voter

Essentially voters under 50 = labour landslide, voters over 50 = tory landslide

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GE maps by age group on 22:35 - Dec 30 with 2316 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Very much so. It was the most notable difference on the analysis I saw. Most other demographics were a consistent majority to the Conservatives in keeping with the actual result and that includes on income brackets.

This suggests the Labour policies were popular with those under 50. The question is how long that would take to make those policies effective in winning an election because I don't think they are generally ones that would change as we reach 50+.

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GE maps by age group on 22:37 - Dec 30 with 2308 viewsSarge

Is it any wonder those of us under 50, and even more so those of us under 25 feel completely abandoned, alienated and not represented?

I’ve been eligible to vote since 2012 and nothing I’ve ever voted for has happened.
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GE maps by age group on 22:44 - Dec 30 with 2278 viewsNthsuffolkblue

GE maps by age group on 22:37 - Dec 30 by Sarge

Is it any wonder those of us under 50, and even more so those of us under 25 feel completely abandoned, alienated and not represented?

I’ve been eligible to vote since 2012 and nothing I’ve ever voted for has happened.
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The biggest problem with democracy. There are always more people who vote and don't get what they vote for than who do (aside from the referendum and I think even then the final analysis will not be what a significant proportion thought they were going to get).

But what system is better? It is certainly better than a dictatorship.

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GE maps by age group on 23:02 - Dec 30 with 2231 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

GE maps by age group on 22:37 - Dec 30 by Sarge

Is it any wonder those of us under 50, and even more so those of us under 25 feel completely abandoned, alienated and not represented?

I’ve been eligible to vote since 2012 and nothing I’ve ever voted for has happened.
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Thems the breaks.

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GE maps by age group on 23:11 - Dec 30 with 2215 viewsOldsmoker

GE maps by age group on 22:37 - Dec 30 by Sarge

Is it any wonder those of us under 50, and even more so those of us under 25 feel completely abandoned, alienated and not represented?

I’ve been eligible to vote since 2012 and nothing I’ve ever voted for has happened.
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Political parties only 'care' about us in the 6 weeks before a GE because they want our vote.
It's a harsh lesson to learn but a necessary one.
No-one is going to look after your interests but yourself.

What's the point of voting I hear you ask. In 1997 there was the "Portillo moment". A stuck-up priveleged tory MP lost his huge majority and his seat to a grinning Labour youngster. The look on Portillos face when he realised he'd lost is one of the reasons it's worth voting.

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GE maps by age group on 01:01 - Dec 31 with 2134 viewsClareBlue

So if the policies of equity of health care and education along with better working conditions and less environmental exposure to pollutants are implemted and we end up with longer life expectancy, all we are doing is creating more Conservative voters?
The real question is, of course, why the disconnect between genrations.
The tax paying base that might be threatened by some policies is not really in the retired generation but more the established tax payers around 45, who have not rejected the policies of Labour. Our older friends are pretty settled and no Labour policy really said it was going to hit them, so why the complete rejection by the older generation? Any ideas?
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GE maps by age group on 01:29 - Dec 31 with 2105 viewsSarge

GE maps by age group on 22:44 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue

The biggest problem with democracy. There are always more people who vote and don't get what they vote for than who do (aside from the referendum and I think even then the final analysis will not be what a significant proportion thought they were going to get).

But what system is better? It is certainly better than a dictatorship.


Democracy, whilst crap, is made more crap by FPTP. At least PR would give some semblance of representation.

I would hope that this generation of young people, when they grow up won’t forget the ideals of fairness and tolerance and slip to the right. There’s some adage about voting labour when young and Tory when old. Let’s hope we buck that trend.

Edit: although I guess I’ve bucked it the other way because I didn’t vote for labour.
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GE maps by age group on 02:13 - Dec 31 with 2081 viewsbournemouthblue

Ultimately the older voters tend to vote in greater numbers and are far more fiercely against Labour than the younger group against the Tories

I believe it was similar with Brexit, wasn't it something like 90% of the 75+ age group who voted to leave?

Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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GE maps by age group on 06:56 - Dec 31 with 2024 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

No one has ever mentioned this before

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GE maps by age group on 08:16 - Dec 31 with 1976 viewsmeekreech

GE maps by age group on 01:01 - Dec 31 by ClareBlue

So if the policies of equity of health care and education along with better working conditions and less environmental exposure to pollutants are implemted and we end up with longer life expectancy, all we are doing is creating more Conservative voters?
The real question is, of course, why the disconnect between genrations.
The tax paying base that might be threatened by some policies is not really in the retired generation but more the established tax payers around 45, who have not rejected the policies of Labour. Our older friends are pretty settled and no Labour policy really said it was going to hit them, so why the complete rejection by the older generation? Any ideas?


The main reason for this is we have lived through previous labour governments who followed the same policies and the country ended up at a standstill due to workers striking for increased pay to cover the increased prices and lower take home pay due to increased taxes!The country was full of uncollected garbage, laying around in the streets, and the trade unions were driving government policies! The uk then had to crawl to the IMF for funds to pay its bills. Having lived through it before the older generation do not want to go there again for the harm it causes the people.

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GE maps by age group on 08:24 - Dec 31 with 1956 viewsjeera

GE maps by age group on 08:16 - Dec 31 by meekreech

The main reason for this is we have lived through previous labour governments who followed the same policies and the country ended up at a standstill due to workers striking for increased pay to cover the increased prices and lower take home pay due to increased taxes!The country was full of uncollected garbage, laying around in the streets, and the trade unions were driving government policies! The uk then had to crawl to the IMF for funds to pay its bills. Having lived through it before the older generation do not want to go there again for the harm it causes the people.


Well that's some made-up bollox.

It only takes a few million misinformed like you, repeating this rubbish, and we can see how it went the way it did.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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GE maps by age group on 08:26 - Dec 31 with 1950 viewsjeera

GE maps by age group on 01:01 - Dec 31 by ClareBlue

So if the policies of equity of health care and education along with better working conditions and less environmental exposure to pollutants are implemted and we end up with longer life expectancy, all we are doing is creating more Conservative voters?
The real question is, of course, why the disconnect between genrations.
The tax paying base that might be threatened by some policies is not really in the retired generation but more the established tax payers around 45, who have not rejected the policies of Labour. Our older friends are pretty settled and no Labour policy really said it was going to hit them, so why the complete rejection by the older generation? Any ideas?


Any ideas?

Yes, nostalgia, a desperate need to still feel relevant and a refusal to accept the world is trying to move forwards.

Trouble is, by the time they're no longer 'relevant' the damage has been done.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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GE maps by age group on 08:33 - Dec 31 with 1929 viewsPinewoodblue

Generally speaking as you age your political views seem to move to the right. When Labour move significantly to the left they are inevitably heading for defeat.

Labour need to address two issues. Their membership no longer reflects the views of traditional Labour voters, and secondly they didn’t manage to get the younger voter to vote.

All the Tories had to do was keep their support from 2017 and they were sure to win. The size of th3 majority is a problem going forward for Labour as they are likely to need two elections to overcome it.

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GE maps by age group on 08:43 - Dec 31 with 1902 viewsLeaky

GE maps by age group on 08:16 - Dec 31 by meekreech

The main reason for this is we have lived through previous labour governments who followed the same policies and the country ended up at a standstill due to workers striking for increased pay to cover the increased prices and lower take home pay due to increased taxes!The country was full of uncollected garbage, laying around in the streets, and the trade unions were driving government policies! The uk then had to crawl to the IMF for funds to pay its bills. Having lived through it before the older generation do not want to go there again for the harm it causes the people.


you nailed it
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GE maps by age group on 08:47 - Dec 31 with 1886 viewsjeera

GE maps by age group on 08:43 - Dec 31 by Leaky

you nailed it


No, he didn't.

Stop encouraging this nonsense.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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GE maps by age group on 08:57 - Dec 31 with 1861 viewsLeaky

GE maps by age group on 08:47 - Dec 31 by jeera

No, he didn't.

Stop encouraging this nonsense.


Perhaps you cant remember the 60's & 70's then. Red Robbo bringing British Leyland to a stand still nearly every day. The dead not being buried during the Winter of Discontent. Oh yes great days. At least the music cheered us up.
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GE maps by age group on 09:00 - Dec 31 with 1851 viewsGuthrum

GE maps by age group on 08:16 - Dec 31 by meekreech

The main reason for this is we have lived through previous labour governments who followed the same policies and the country ended up at a standstill due to workers striking for increased pay to cover the increased prices and lower take home pay due to increased taxes!The country was full of uncollected garbage, laying around in the streets, and the trade unions were driving government policies! The uk then had to crawl to the IMF for funds to pay its bills. Having lived through it before the older generation do not want to go there again for the harm it causes the people.


Altho that really only covers a few months of a weak Labour government struggling in the wake of the global oil price crisis and consequent inflation. A situation which started during Heath's preceding Conservative administration (coal strike, three-day week) and continued well into the start of Thatcher's time (wasn't until about 1984 or '85 that things picked up).

Wilson's first gov't wasn't plagued by strikes, neither were Blair or Attlee.

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(No subject) (n/t) on 09:04 - Dec 31 with 1842 viewsPinewoodblue


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GE maps by age group on 09:08 - Dec 31 with 1835 viewsGuthrum

GE maps by age group on 08:57 - Dec 31 by Leaky

Perhaps you cant remember the 60's & 70's then. Red Robbo bringing British Leyland to a stand still nearly every day. The dead not being buried during the Winter of Discontent. Oh yes great days. At least the music cheered us up.


I can (just about) remember queues to buy fuel. Power cuts. Both under Heath - but as much due to the global oil crisis as anything he'd done. Wilson 2, Callaghan and early Thatcher were all afflicted by the same thing (you can't pretend everything suddenly got better in 1979).

I'm not a fan of rampant union power either, but it's selective to blame all of that on Labour, who only had a tiny parliamentary majority. We've seen recently how debilitating that can be to good government.

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GE maps by age group on 10:20 - Dec 31 with 1761 viewsNo9

GE maps by age group on 08:57 - Dec 31 by Leaky

Perhaps you cant remember the 60's & 70's then. Red Robbo bringing British Leyland to a stand still nearly every day. The dead not being buried during the Winter of Discontent. Oh yes great days. At least the music cheered us up.


I was working in the 60' & 70's
You're taking your info from the Mail / Telegraph NOT what actually happened
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GE maps by age group on 10:32 - Dec 31 with 1736 viewsOldsmoker

GE maps by age group on 08:57 - Dec 31 by Leaky

Perhaps you cant remember the 60's & 70's then. Red Robbo bringing British Leyland to a stand still nearly every day. The dead not being buried during the Winter of Discontent. Oh yes great days. At least the music cheered us up.


For music, the 60's were OK but the 70's it was rubbish disco.
This is how I remember disco.


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GE maps by age group on 10:39 - Dec 31 with 1723 viewsBlueForYou

GE maps by age group on 08:16 - Dec 31 by meekreech

The main reason for this is we have lived through previous labour governments who followed the same policies and the country ended up at a standstill due to workers striking for increased pay to cover the increased prices and lower take home pay due to increased taxes!The country was full of uncollected garbage, laying around in the streets, and the trade unions were driving government policies! The uk then had to crawl to the IMF for funds to pay its bills. Having lived through it before the older generation do not want to go there again for the harm it causes the people.


Spot on! I was going to say exactly the same. Oh & the reason Blair never had strikes was because Thatcher made them illegal. I was brought up in the 70's & Labour brought this country to its knees. It was generally worse than what you read. Strikes, strikes, strikes, for very little reason. 3 day working week, power cuts, rubbish went uncollected for months at one stage. We were a laughing stock throughout the world. Labour went on throughout the 80's with loony left wing councils creating the same chaos. Inhad enough & went to live in Australia!
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GE maps by age group on 10:53 - Dec 31 with 1693 viewsNo9

GE maps by age group on 10:39 - Dec 31 by BlueForYou

Spot on! I was going to say exactly the same. Oh & the reason Blair never had strikes was because Thatcher made them illegal. I was brought up in the 70's & Labour brought this country to its knees. It was generally worse than what you read. Strikes, strikes, strikes, for very little reason. 3 day working week, power cuts, rubbish went uncollected for months at one stage. We were a laughing stock throughout the world. Labour went on throughout the 80's with loony left wing councils creating the same chaos. Inhad enough & went to live in Australia!


You missed the 80's then- Lucky you
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GE maps by age group on 10:57 - Dec 31 with 1684 viewsPinewoodblue

GE maps by age group on 09:08 - Dec 31 by Guthrum

I can (just about) remember queues to buy fuel. Power cuts. Both under Heath - but as much due to the global oil crisis as anything he'd done. Wilson 2, Callaghan and early Thatcher were all afflicted by the same thing (you can't pretend everything suddenly got better in 1979).

I'm not a fan of rampant union power either, but it's selective to blame all of that on Labour, who only had a tiny parliamentary majority. We've seen recently how debilitating that can be to good government.


I've queued for fuel in France and Ireland but the only times I can recall doing so in the UK is on budget day if Petrol went up 1d a gallon at 6pm.

I do remember being issued with a ration book for fuel though.

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GE maps by age group on 11:01 - Dec 31 with 1665 viewsGuthrum

GE maps by age group on 10:39 - Dec 31 by BlueForYou

Spot on! I was going to say exactly the same. Oh & the reason Blair never had strikes was because Thatcher made them illegal. I was brought up in the 70's & Labour brought this country to its knees. It was generally worse than what you read. Strikes, strikes, strikes, for very little reason. 3 day working week, power cuts, rubbish went uncollected for months at one stage. We were a laughing stock throughout the world. Labour went on throughout the 80's with loony left wing councils creating the same chaos. Inhad enough & went to live in Australia!


3 Day Week and power cuts both under Heath's Conservative government in 1974.

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