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Good point made on the radio this morning 20:18 - Jan 15 with 13625 viewsFixed_It

48% knew what they were voting for and voted for it. 52% voted for different things. So actually, their vote was in effect split. And even now they can't agree. Will of the people? Remain.

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:15 - Jan 17 with 1598 viewsLeaky

Good point made on the radio this morning on 20:27 - Jan 15 by Fixed_It

Although I'm not convinced they all knew what they were voting for (misleading claims on the sides of buses etc muddied the waters), the point made is that some were voting about immigration, some about sovereignty, some about bent bananas etc. Even now, many Brexiteers want different things. The Remain side knew exactly what they were voting for.


Do remain know what they voting for. Do you know what the EU will look like in 20 years time or even 10 years time. Will there be an EU Army will Turkey join the EU if so how will that impact on 27 countries. Life is uncertain what ever happens
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:25 - Jan 17 with 1590 viewsHerbivore

The arguments on this thread are ridiculous.

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 09:08 - Jan 17 with 1577 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:25 - Jan 17 by Herbivore

The arguments on this thread are ridiculous.


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WTF on 09:17 - Jan 17 with 1572 viewsDyland

What's that in reference to? (n/t) on 18:24 - Jan 16 by Mullet

[Post edited 16 Jan 2019 18:26]


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Good point made on the radio this morning on 09:33 - Jan 17 with 1554 viewsHerbivore

Good point made on the radio this morning on 07:36 - Jan 17 by DavidDymondSuperfan

The difference here is, I used sources, whereas you’re just making baseless claims.

Yeah sure, we can’t make our own trade deals right now, but considering the EU negotiators have had our pants down at every turn in the past 2 years, do you honestly think that we’ll get better deals by ourselves than those that we currently have as part of the EU? I don’t, considering that the rest of the world knows we would be desperate for literally anything, so the deals would be heavily weighted in their favour.


A few weeks back this clown demanded someone provide bank statements of Brexiteer MPs as evidence that they voted leave for personal gain. Yesterday his evidence that remain voters were all voting for different things was that he'd spoken to a few people. I wouldn't take this one seriously when it comes to Brexit debate.

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 15:22 - Jan 17 with 1516 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 07:36 - Jan 17 by DavidDymondSuperfan

The difference here is, I used sources, whereas you’re just making baseless claims.

Yeah sure, we can’t make our own trade deals right now, but considering the EU negotiators have had our pants down at every turn in the past 2 years, do you honestly think that we’ll get better deals by ourselves than those that we currently have as part of the EU? I don’t, considering that the rest of the world knows we would be desperate for literally anything, so the deals would be heavily weighted in their favour.


Sorry, what is a baseless claim?

Point to one. Tell me why the EU law is not supreme, why regulations are passed with immediate effect and why free movement of people doesn’t exist.
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 15:54 - Jan 17 with 1501 viewsNo9

Good point made on the radio this morning on 15:22 - Jan 17 by Oxford_Blue

Sorry, what is a baseless claim?

Point to one. Tell me why the EU law is not supreme, why regulations are passed with immediate effect and why free movement of people doesn’t exist.


The EU website will tell you why EU law is not supreme
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 17:57 - Jan 17 with 1479 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 15:54 - Jan 17 by No9

The EU website will tell you why EU law is not supreme


That’s a weak answer.

EC law is supreme. Read the decision in Factortame.

Regulations have immediate effect in Uk law, without parliament doing anything.
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 18:17 - Jan 17 with 1469 viewsgazzer1999

Good point made on the radio this morning on 20:24 - Jan 15 by Illinoisblue

why do you wish to leave? What are the benefits?


Money of course, do you not realise just how many billions we hand over to the EU in tariffs collected? it makes the £350 million on the side of the bus look like small potatoes. Thats the real reason they want us to stay, they are frightened of losing over £20 Billion in tariffs + all our other money every year.
Get real it always come down to the money!
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 18:22 - Jan 17 with 1467 viewsgazzer1999

Good point made on the radio this morning on 20:28 - Jan 15 by wkj

Problem is, no one knows what Leave actually means, your politicians certainly don't.
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Yes, but we know what remain means. More snouts in the trough, no independent trade deals, more money handed over for nothing in return need I go on.
Remainers seem to think we are incapable of looking after our own affairs, heaven knows what we did before we joined.
Get real its all about them wanting your money, if you are happy with that then so be it, thats your prerogative.
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 19:13 - Jan 17 with 1461 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 15:54 - Jan 17 by No9

The EU website will tell you why EU law is not supreme


You’re wrong.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-law-and-uk/
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 22:03 - Jan 17 with 1440 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 19:13 - Jan 17 by Oxford_Blue

You’re wrong.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-law-and-uk/


The question is, who enforces EU law if the UK disagrees??
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 23:24 - Jan 17 with 1424 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 22:03 - Jan 17 by jjblue84

The question is, who enforces EU law if the UK disagrees??


It doesn’t really work like that.

By virtue of the Treaty of Lisbon and the European Community Act, we agree to the primacy of EU law. Parliament must pass legislation to give effect to directives (and regulations take effect immediately). Judges must interpret domestic legislation in line with EU law.

If they don’t, the ECJ is supreme.

If a British court refused to follow the ECJ, or to implement a directive, we would face sanctions and punitive actions (eg fines).

The only way to break the primacy of EU law is to repeal the European Community Act, which is what we will do when we leave.
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 23:37 - Jan 17 with 1419 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 23:24 - Jan 17 by Oxford_Blue

It doesn’t really work like that.

By virtue of the Treaty of Lisbon and the European Community Act, we agree to the primacy of EU law. Parliament must pass legislation to give effect to directives (and regulations take effect immediately). Judges must interpret domestic legislation in line with EU law.

If they don’t, the ECJ is supreme.

If a British court refused to follow the ECJ, or to implement a directive, we would face sanctions and punitive actions (eg fines).

The only way to break the primacy of EU law is to repeal the European Community Act, which is what we will do when we leave.


We might well face fines, we don’t have to pay them! It’s not sovereign law, the UK is the highest power in the country, that’s what makes the country!!
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:00 - Jan 18 with 1373 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 23:37 - Jan 17 by jjblue84

We might well face fines, we don’t have to pay them! It’s not sovereign law, the UK is the highest power in the country, that’s what makes the country!!


that isn’t how international diplomacy works
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:03 - Jan 18 with 1363 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:00 - Jan 18 by Oxford_Blue

that isn’t how international diplomacy works


Each to their own, sunshine xx
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:05 - Jan 18 with 1361 viewsSwansea_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 07:36 - Jan 17 by DavidDymondSuperfan

The difference here is, I used sources, whereas you’re just making baseless claims.

Yeah sure, we can’t make our own trade deals right now, but considering the EU negotiators have had our pants down at every turn in the past 2 years, do you honestly think that we’ll get better deals by ourselves than those that we currently have as part of the EU? I don’t, considering that the rest of the world knows we would be desperate for literally anything, so the deals would be heavily weighted in their favour.


I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. Could you give some specific examples of where the EU negotiators have “had our pants down” and what we wanted to happen instead?

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:39 - Jan 18 with 1319 viewsOxford_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 08:03 - Jan 18 by jjblue84

Each to their own, sunshine xx


What does that mean?

Having credibility in international law, and being trusted in relation to business deals and diplomacy, means not ignoring international laws and treaties which we have signed up to. That behaviour leads to sanctions. Just look at Russia.

In any event, we have passed our OWN legislation making EU law supreme because the courts have to interpret domestic legislation in line with EU law.
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:44 - Jan 18 with 1316 viewsNo9

Good point made on the radio this morning on 23:37 - Jan 17 by jjblue84

We might well face fines, we don’t have to pay them! It’s not sovereign law, the UK is the highest power in the country, that’s what makes the country!!


That is rather naive; if the UK doesn't pay it's dues the EU will just take the UK to the international courts.

Additionally & more important is the fact that should the UK renage on the finacial settelement it has made with the EU, the propsect of making any trade agreements with any other country just become more difficult.

The real problem I have with the brexiteers is that they refuse to face reality and just lie about the world outside the EU. have you read the WTO site to see what reality is?
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:59 - Jan 18 with 1312 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:39 - Jan 18 by Oxford_Blue

What does that mean?

Having credibility in international law, and being trusted in relation to business deals and diplomacy, means not ignoring international laws and treaties which we have signed up to. That behaviour leads to sanctions. Just look at Russia.

In any event, we have passed our OWN legislation making EU law supreme because the courts have to interpret domestic legislation in line with EU law.


Indeed it might, it still doesn’t make EU law sovereign!!
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:05 - Jan 18 with 1306 viewsHerbivore

Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:59 - Jan 18 by jjblue84

Indeed it might, it still doesn’t make EU law sovereign!!


What is the point of you?

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:22 - Jan 18 with 1289 viewsSwansea_Blue

Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:05 - Jan 18 by Herbivore

What is the point of you?


harsh!

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Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:34 - Jan 18 with 1286 viewsNo9

Good point made on the radio this morning on 10:59 - Jan 18 by jjblue84

Indeed it might, it still doesn’t make EU law sovereign!!


You need to start to understand the world is amuch bigger place than tory HQ
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:35 - Jan 18 with 1283 viewsjjblue84

Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:34 - Jan 18 by No9

You need to start to understand the world is amuch bigger place than tory HQ


The law is the law!
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Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:42 - Jan 18 with 1277 viewsNo9

Good point made on the radio this morning on 11:35 - Jan 18 by jjblue84

The law is the law!


& you need to understand International law if you want to join the WTO
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