| Newsnight speaking to Ukranian advisor to their govt 23:09 - Feb 24 with 1462 views | reusersfreekicks |
Is heart breaking. Just tragic. Bad people are taking over in the world.
Then you have Putin"s ex spokesman complaining about Ukraine oppressing the opposition - oh the irony |  | | |  |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 with 1398 views | Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |  |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 07:40 - Feb 25 with 1181 views | eastangliaisblue |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
Sky News reporting that Ukranian forces took back the airfield near Kiev.
Ben Wallace also saying Russia have lost over 450 men and haven't reached their targets on day one.
Aren't most of the Russian forces still over the border in Russia? |  | | |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 07:49 - Feb 25 with 1164 views | Churchman |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
The news night interview with the American military chap about the invasion was very interesting |  | | |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:32 - Feb 25 with 1087 views | Guthrum |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 07:40 - Feb 25 by eastangliaisblue |
Sky News reporting that Ukranian forces took back the airfield near Kiev.
Ben Wallace also saying Russia have lost over 450 men and haven't reached their targets on day one.
Aren't most of the Russian forces still over the border in Russia? |
The Russian army consists of a number of very high quality units backed by a great mass of conscripts*. I do wonder if they've left the bulk of the latter behind in an attempted "surgical strike".
* The British Army is the same, except that we've disbanded almost everybody except our elite and specialist forces over the last 64 years. | |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:40 - Feb 25 with 1071 views | Coastalblue |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
I don't think they expected any real resistance, thought the prospect of the large Russian military machine would just cause the local military and peple to just fold.
Russian State TV have been stating that 1000's of Ukranian armed forces have laid down their arms. Now while I wouldn't say that is definitely not the case, we're being fed a narrative too, it seems unlikely at the moment.
The worry is that it's not going to plan and Putin then has to stick or twist, twist could be ominous. |  |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:49 - Feb 25 with 1047 views | Guthrum |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:40 - Feb 25 by Coastalblue |
I don't think they expected any real resistance, thought the prospect of the large Russian military machine would just cause the local military and peple to just fold.
Russian State TV have been stating that 1000's of Ukranian armed forces have laid down their arms. Now while I wouldn't say that is definitely not the case, we're being fed a narrative too, it seems unlikely at the moment.
The worry is that it's not going to plan and Putin then has to stick or twist, twist could be ominous. |
Putin might find he has internal troubles if this does not go well. | |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:50 - Feb 25 with 1045 views | BloomBlue |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
I think the scary part will be in places like Kyiv if it gets to street fighting then we will see a lot of civilian casualties as firing rockets etc in built up areas, even if they are in underground stations, will have terrible consequences. |  | | |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 10:45 - Feb 25 with 989 views | Freddies_Ears |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 09:32 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
The Russian army consists of a number of very high quality units backed by a great mass of conscripts*. I do wonder if they've left the bulk of the latter behind in an attempted "surgical strike".
* The British Army is the same, except that we've disbanded almost everybody except our elite and specialist forces over the last 64 years. |
There are reports that many of the conscripts don't fancy shooting people they regard as close friends. |  | | |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 10:52 - Feb 25 with 972 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 10:45 - Feb 25 by Freddies_Ears |
There are reports that many of the conscripts don't fancy shooting people they regard as close friends. |
In an ideal world, Putin expected the follow-up and someone has gone against him. Is that possible or likely? Surely it would only happen in conjunction with a coup attempt. Hopefully a successful one if so. |  |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 11:00 - Feb 25 with 951 views | WD19 |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
Suspect Plan A was to walk through to Kiev.
Plan B was to trigger some kind of response that could be used as a pretext for total war.
Looks like they might need a Plan C. |  | | |
| Newsnight speaking to Ukranian advisor to their govt on 11:59 - Feb 25 with 900 views | pointofblue |
Going off the BBC Live Updates, Zelensky has said the following:
"Like World War Two, you said never again, but here it is again and you're not doing enough to respond," he says.
Zelensky adds it isn't too late to stop Russian "aggression" if European leaders act swiftly, and calls on citizens across the EU to protest and force their governments into more decisive action.
He continues:
“ I am sure you see this - all of you, the whole off Europe. But we don't quite see what you are going to do about this, how you are going to defend yourself when you are so slow to help Ukraine."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447
I’m not quite sure what more he wants as a response though? Personally I’d treat Russia like apartheid South Africa and isolate them completely but they’ll be too much opposition to that due to energy supplies. | |
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| Newsnight speaking to Ukranian advisor to their govt on 14:21 - Feb 25 with 804 views | Guthrum |
| Newsnight speaking to Ukranian advisor to their govt on 11:59 - Feb 25 by pointofblue |
Going off the BBC Live Updates, Zelensky has said the following:
"Like World War Two, you said never again, but here it is again and you're not doing enough to respond," he says.
Zelensky adds it isn't too late to stop Russian "aggression" if European leaders act swiftly, and calls on citizens across the EU to protest and force their governments into more decisive action.
He continues:
“ I am sure you see this - all of you, the whole off Europe. But we don't quite see what you are going to do about this, how you are going to defend yourself when you are so slow to help Ukraine."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447
I’m not quite sure what more he wants as a response though? Personally I’d treat Russia like apartheid South Africa and isolate them completely but they’ll be too much opposition to that due to energy supplies. |
He'd really like Europe and the US to intervene militarily and drive the Russians out. But that is never realistically going to take place.
Sanctions are not like waving a magic wand. It takes time to organise and impose them, even longer to take effect (if they do).
To be fair to the bloke, his country has been invaded, his cities smashed up and there is the very immediate prospect of a Russian puppet government being imposed. The chances of defeating that are vanishingly slim, so he is crying out for whatever help he can get. | |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 16:29 - Feb 25 with 754 views | Kropotkin123 |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
I'm obviously just going on reports, but it seems like they are having a difficult time making any progress on Kharkiv and have redirected some of those troops to Kiev as a result. |  |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 16:42 - Feb 25 with 738 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 16:29 - Feb 25 by Kropotkin123 |
I'm obviously just going on reports, but it seems like they are having a difficult time making any progress on Kharkiv and have redirected some of those troops to Kiev as a result. |
Not sure how reliable the casualty intelligence/reports are at this stage but indicates they are putting up a stiff resistance, and making the Russians pay a heavy price for progress. Hopefully those who are conscripts won’t fancy it much.
Could well be propaganda to keep morale up, who knows. | | | |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 16:59 - Feb 25 with 676 views | J2BLUE |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 23:45 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
It's not as intense as I was expecting. Russian forces don't seem to be advancing particularly fast.
Certainly part of that will be down to Ukrainian resistance, but I was expecting something a lot more dynamic and ferocious. A rapid armoured blitzkrieg down from the north towards Kiev, for example. Especially having put airborne troops on an airfield near the capital. They'll need to be relieved quickly or risk being overrun by heavier Ukrainian forces.
If Zelensky is correct, casualty figures (137 dead and 300 wounded) are remarkably low for a day's fighting between two huge, 100k+ man armies.
It's almost like they're holding back, or were planning for some fifth-column assistance which hasn't materialised. Did they expect Ukraine to simply fold?
Yes, it's terrible for those on the receiving end and heavy fighting is in progress. But I can't help feeling something's missing. |
But I can't help feeling something's missing.
Would you mind expanding on this if you have time please? |  |
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| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 17:31 - Feb 25 with 652 views | Rob88 |
| There's something slightly odd about this invasion. on 16:42 - Feb 25 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not sure how reliable the casualty intelligence/reports are at this stage but indicates they are putting up a stiff resistance, and making the Russians pay a heavy price for progress. Hopefully those who are conscripts won’t fancy it much.
Could well be propaganda to keep morale up, who knows. |
One volunteer is worth 10 pressed men.
I sincerely hope the Ukrainian resistance takes as many Russian military servicemen with them as possible. | | | |
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