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I assume that's Hales trying to stop him. Doesn't try that hard really but that's not his job.
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I assume that's Hales trying to stop him. Doesn't try that hard really but that's not his job.
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Pretty brutal though, can't see how he can go to Oz as vice-captain as this will lead to a criminal charge, especially if that guys injuries are bad.
If injuries are bad, could be quite serious, as they do a lot of boxing training when you see the behind the scenes stuff so he knows what he's doing a delivers a couple of savage blows
I can't make out much of the beginning, but The Sun report said one of the two men swung a bottle at "the man who looks like Stokes'" group.
If that's true he is totally within his rights to defend himself. A broken bottle in the eye, or cutting the wrong part of the hand used to defend his face, would be a career ending injury.
We also don't who provoked who, or for how long.
"Should" he have been out at 2 in the morning a couple of days before a match? Probably not, but there was no curfew.
Is he to blame here? I don't know, but he needs to get on the phone to Steven Gerrard's lawyer...
I can't make out much of the beginning, but The Sun report said one of the two men swung a bottle at "the man who looks like Stokes'" group.
If that's true he is totally within his rights to defend himself. A broken bottle in the eye, or cutting the wrong part of the hand used to defend his face, would be a career ending injury.
We also don't who provoked who, or for how long.
"Should" he have been out at 2 in the morning a couple of days before a match? Probably not, but there was no curfew.
Is he to blame here? I don't know, but he needs to get on the phone to Steven Gerrard's lawyer...
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Massive difference between disarming the guy which he does right at the start and then essentially beating up 3 people.
That punch on that guy at the end was brutal - it broke his hand and god knows what it did to the guy.
Need to wait for all the details but very early to be making excuses.
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“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."
If that is indeed Stokes then surely he can't go to the Ashes.
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Massive difference between disarming the guy which he does right at the start and then essentially beating up 3 people.
That punch on that guy at the end was brutal - it broke his hand and god knows what it did to the guy.
Need to wait for all the details but very early to be making excuses.
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But somebody, part of a group, swings a bottle, and the group don't pull him away or leave, and he defends himself, and the other two don't pull the attacker away or leave, then it's reasonable to see all three as a threat and defend himself. One of the others could have picked up the bottle, for example. Once the bottle is swung adrenaline kicks in, and he is in "I have to win this and can't walk away" mode.
We don't know what happened before. Had "the man who looks like Stokes", or one of his group, hit one of the other group before this? Had they sexually assaulted one of this group, or a friend of theirs? Does one of "the man who looks like Stokes'" group make a threat to cause this group to reasonably fear for their safety?
We don't know what led to this.
We do know what we can see. A member of the other group is the first to act violently in this clip and "the man who looks like Stokes" then contributes nearly every punch thereafter.
Three people coming into your space, and one swings a bottle: reasonable behaviour to defend yourself. The question comes as to at which point the threat to self is neutralised and it is unreasonable to continue fighting.
Like I said, Steven Gerrard has the number of a barrister who could convince a jury that this is self-defence.
The only way he won't go is if there's ongoing legal proceedings.
You think? I dunno man. Obviously I think he should definitely go but if that is him and he fesses up to Strauss then I think they will drop him.
I have it in commission, to comfort the feeble-minded, and to support the weak. You must needs go along with us; we will wait for you, we will lend you our help, we will deny ourselves of some things, both opinionated and practical, for your sake; we will not enter into doubtful disputations before you, we will be made all things to you, rather than you shall be left behind
Due process is always helped by flogging the CCTV footage to the Sun rather than giving it to the police.
Looks like mobile phone footage, someone leaning out a window to record it. Made themselves a tidy few grand flogging it I expect.
I have it in commission, to comfort the feeble-minded, and to support the weak. You must needs go along with us; we will wait for you, we will lend you our help, we will deny ourselves of some things, both opinionated and practical, for your sake; we will not enter into doubtful disputations before you, we will be made all things to you, rather than you shall be left behind
Hard to draw any real conclusions from that. Very silly of Stokes to be in that position anyway, he shouldn't be getting into scuffles outside nightclubs at 2.30am full stop however that video does show someone brandishing a bottle and appearing to take a swing at someone and it's only then he reacts and takes a swing. I guess it's whether they are still a threat when he sticks them on their arse at the end that will sway the police in terms of taking further action or not.
Typical boozed up scrap which he could get in some serious trouble over...you have the right to defend yourself (e.g. someone attacks you with a bottle) but it's hard to say you are defending yourself when you are on top of someone on the ground and punching them...they then get up and walk away and you continue to stalk them and eventually lay someone out. The way the guy hits the deck is horrific, the sort of landing you hear about with "one punch killers".
I got charged with GBH a few years back after me and my wife got attacked by a group of lads...one of them came off slightly worse for wear and tried to fabricate a story that they were attacked, despite CCTV showing them in the pub being hostile and then them following us out. The idiot even admitted to shouting sexually inappropriate things at my wife as we were walking away. Horrible situation/experience that no one should have to go through, unfortunately though, some folk can't help but run their mouth and turn into McGregor after four pints
I think the only thing he needs to worry about is the last few seconds of the video where the two chaps are walking backward and he continues to follow and then lands a hefty punch that puts him on his arse. Up until then, it looks like self-defense (the bloke tries to bottle his mate) and he could claim it was reasonable endeavors to protect/defend himself and his friends. The last bit, no. That's when he should have walked away.
As a footnote, tragically for all concerned, there are many young men, who probably would never otherwise have dreamt that they would end up in prison, serving long sentences where the receiver of a haymaker like that doesn't get up or are irreversibly damaged. Often it's not the punch but the head on the road or kerb that does the damage. Stokes can think himself lucky, to be honest.
Typical boozed up scrap which he could get in some serious trouble over...you have the right to defend yourself (e.g. someone attacks you with a bottle) but it's hard to say you are defending yourself when you are on top of someone on the ground and punching them...they then get up and walk away and you continue to stalk them and eventually lay someone out. The way the guy hits the deck is horrific, the sort of landing you hear about with "one punch killers".
I got charged with GBH a few years back after me and my wife got attacked by a group of lads...one of them came off slightly worse for wear and tried to fabricate a story that they were attacked, despite CCTV showing them in the pub being hostile and then them following us out. The idiot even admitted to shouting sexually inappropriate things at my wife as we were walking away. Horrible situation/experience that no one should have to go through, unfortunately though, some folk can't help but run their mouth and turn into McGregor after four pints
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I hadn't seen your post before I posted. Sort of says similar things really.
If you don't mind me asking, what happened to the GBH charge, did it make it to court? Sound pretty fecking harsh if it did!
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