| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list 11:43 - Apr 14 with 7953 views | StokieBlue |
It sounds awful there at the moment with a new wave running totally out of control after the easing of restrictions:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/14/a-tsunami-of-cases-desperation-as-
This line is the one that is incredibly worrying though and I would think should mean India is on the red list until other countries can do some genome sequencing:
"Nightmare scenes of a country struggling to cope have begun to emerge as doctors speak of a new variant of the virus that appears to be spreading faster than ever before, affecting young people and even children this time around."
"This time we are seeing younger people between 20 and 40 getting seriously affected and even children are now being hospitalised with severe symptoms."
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 19:41 - Apr 15 with 2861 views | StokieBlue |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 19:31 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
As I say, I dunno.
Bloke has read the whatsapp but hasn't got back, don't expect him to now until next week.
Looking at their official stats the infection rates now are like a sales graph at a pyramid selling convention - and although I don't believe anything of their previous figures I'm surprised that we didn't hear of earlier disasters as unlike the Chinese the Indians have digital freedom.
Maybe they had a calmer strain on the first wave as I think it's pretty clear that Europe got an initial humdinger. |
This will be either one of the new variants already known or possibly a totally unknown domestic variant as there have been reports of younger people and children ending up in hospital with Covid.
The first strain is almost extinct I would think because the new variants are just huge improvements (from the virus perspective) over the original.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:16 - Apr 15 with 2829 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 19:20 - Apr 15 by hype313 |
I was of the understanding that they are rolling out AZ over there as they have a huge production facility, which is why we had 5m on hold rather than expected. |
Covaxin
Whatever that is |  |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:21 - Apr 15 with 2824 views | StokieBlue |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:16 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Covaxin
Whatever that is |
It's the Indian's own one.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:35 - Apr 15 with 2808 views | hype313 |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:16 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Covaxin
Whatever that is |
Hmm, heard nothing about that one. |  |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:38 - Apr 15 with 2807 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 20:35 - Apr 15 by hype313 |
Hmm, heard nothing about that one. |
It's probably like a Flaming Homer | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 21:24 - Apr 15 with 2785 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
77 cases recorded in UK already! |  |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:40 - Apr 16 with 2756 views | Trequartista |
The ‘double mutation’ Indian variant has today been detected in the uk. I am absolutely amazed India was not put on the red list. We knew it was bad there when they withheld the az vaccine for their own people. Appalling mistake by the government |  |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:45 - Apr 16 with 2742 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:40 - Apr 16 by Trequartista |
The ‘double mutation’ Indian variant has today been detected in the uk. I am absolutely amazed India was not put on the red list. We knew it was bad there when they withheld the az vaccine for their own people. Appalling mistake by the government |
Who's to say it came in from India?
Oh, I know, our world beating track and trace system.
....Oh!! | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:52 - Apr 16 with 2734 views | StokieBlue |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:40 - Apr 16 by Trequartista |
The ‘double mutation’ Indian variant has today been detected in the uk. I am absolutely amazed India was not put on the red list. We knew it was bad there when they withheld the az vaccine for their own people. Appalling mistake by the government |
It's awful from the government.
France still isn't on the red list either I believe. It's the most pointless border strategy I've seen.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 10:18 - Apr 16 with 2728 views | Trequartista |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 09:45 - Apr 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Who's to say it came in from India?
Oh, I know, our world beating track and trace system.
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No it will be our genomic sequencing processing which is actually the best in the world (we do more variant detecting than the rest of the world combined)
That is what is so frustrating, we have the best technology to find the variants but we are too late in attempting to stop them entering the country in the first place | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 10:49 - Apr 16 with 2721 views | shady |
The price of lies is the present situation.
The easiest comparison is Boris fiddling with Brexit whilst the pandemic loomed.
Here in India the dear leader is only concerned with winning state elections and isn’t capable of multitasking.
I haven’t commented till now as can’t make sense of the numbers.
The 5 states having elections plus UK(that’s Uttrakhand state) where the kumbh mela of biblical participants would be expected to have the largest Covid numbers.
However it is not so.
Mrs S says the government micromanages and massages everything to make opposition ruled states look bad.
This seems to be the case.
Largest numbers are in the largest cities which incidentally are mainly ruled by the opposition.
The best hospitals are there which draws in the crowds so city numbers are inflated by their hinterland.
Until the lies stop then the predicament cannot be controlled.
Further lockdowns cannot be considered as people need daily jobs to feed their families.
As for vaccination: well Serum Institute of India is making 2 million a day, about 65 million monthly, and Covaxin contributes another 5 million monthly.
Obviously not enough to meet demand.
Also there are obligations to provide for less fortunate countries.
And here’s a conjecture of mine.
Knowing how governments behave and late invoicing;
I feel that SII are providing all these vaccines,
The government takes all the credit…but will make payment very very late.
Meaning SII has no funds to invest in increasing capacity.
Yes, I know the playboy owner leads a fancy lifestyle but he at least is making 65 million doses monthly at a low price.
I’ve even had a shot myself!
Just back from downtown shopping. It’s actually almost business as usual.
greater numbers are mask wearing…maybe half,
as there are lots of traffic police who may fine you for showing your breathing parts.
Of course on the back streets there are no masks.
Oh Boris is coming here for a day trip in a fortnight, so maybe he can pick up the double mutant as a takeway.
Oh! No need; you’ve already got it.
I’ve lived in Australia where people are so law abiding it’s soul destroying.
In India the default state is freedom and it is heaven; and then you die.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 15:20 - Apr 16 with 2696 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 10:18 - Apr 16 by Trequartista |
No it will be our genomic sequencing processing which is actually the best in the world (we do more variant detecting than the rest of the world combined)
That is what is so frustrating, we have the best technology to find the variants but we are too late in attempting to stop them entering the country in the first place |
You misunderstood....I accept it is the Indian mutation but it may not have arrived directly from there. | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 19:44 - Apr 16 with 2676 views | Trequartista |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 15:20 - Apr 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You misunderstood....I accept it is the Indian mutation but it may not have arrived directly from there. |
I accept it's difficult to stop variants coming in via a safer country than the origin country, but that would be a much smaller amount of cases. But just letting people come in directly from India without proper quarantine is madness. | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 13:03 - Apr 19 with 2592 views | NthQldITFC |
The case trajectory looks awful. If you plot the 7 day rolling average data for new cases (ex worldometers) from 29th March to yesterday, and fit an exponential trendline to it you get a 99.6% r-squared value, which I guess indicates a totally unchecked growth in that period and a testing system working within capacity, assuming the figures are not doctored.
On that basis with no other factors changing, you might expect 500,000 new cases per day by 30th April and 1 million per day by the 10th of May.
Edit: This BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56771766 which accurately quotes a report in The Lancet suggest 2,300 deaths per day by the first week in June, but by my reckoning they are under by a factor of 10 (unless I have misread the context). They're already running at half of that, and with continued exponential growth they will reach 2,500 by 28th of April and 28,000 by the 1st of June. [Post edited 19 Apr 2021 13:48]
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:01 - Apr 19 with 2541 views | DebsyAngel |
Just read that they now are being put on the red list - from 4am Friday. Why not immediately?? |  | | |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:09 - Apr 19 with 2534 views | StokieBlue |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:01 - Apr 19 by DebsyAngel |
Just read that they now are being put on the red list - from 4am Friday. Why not immediately?? |
So 9 days after I started this thread when it was already obvious to everyone that they needed to be added to the red list.
Even after more than a year the Tories are still screwed these things up.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:11 - Apr 19 with 2523 views | hype313 |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:09 - Apr 19 by StokieBlue |
So 9 days after I started this thread when it was already obvious to everyone that they needed to be added to the red list.
Even after more than a year the Tories are still screwed these things up.
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Although the India variant, whilst of concern, was already here a few months ago, so we can take some solace that it hasn't taken a hold and the Vaccines must be guarding quite well against it. | |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:13 - Apr 19 with 2512 views | StokieBlue |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:11 - Apr 19 by hype313 |
Although the India variant, whilst of concern, was already here a few months ago, so we can take some solace that it hasn't taken a hold and the Vaccines must be guarding quite well against it. |
Indeed, although that is more by luck that judgement.
We were also still in a fairly rigid lockdown during that period which would have helped.
The concern is it seems to be affecting younger people in India (although this needs to be studied and confirmed) and those are the people in the UK who aren't vaccinated.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:20 - Apr 19 with 2498 views | HARRY10 |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:13 - Apr 19 by StokieBlue |
Indeed, although that is more by luck that judgement.
We were also still in a fairly rigid lockdown during that period which would have helped.
The concern is it seems to be affecting younger people in India (although this needs to be studied and confirmed) and those are the people in the UK who aren't vaccinated.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 16:34 - Apr 19 with 2481 views | jaykay |
just a thought about the pandemic in india, when the virus first hit these shores , some in the media were talking about herd immunity. if there is something in this, i expect people will be looking closely at India's outcome. glad india is now on the red list . where are the england cricket team have they returned home or still in india |  |
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 17:10 - Apr 19 with 2466 views | shady |
| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 13:03 - Apr 19 by NthQldITFC |
The case trajectory looks awful. If you plot the 7 day rolling average data for new cases (ex worldometers) from 29th March to yesterday, and fit an exponential trendline to it you get a 99.6% r-squared value, which I guess indicates a totally unchecked growth in that period and a testing system working within capacity, assuming the figures are not doctored.
On that basis with no other factors changing, you might expect 500,000 new cases per day by 30th April and 1 million per day by the 10th of May.
Edit: This BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56771766 which accurately quotes a report in The Lancet suggest 2,300 deaths per day by the first week in June, but by my reckoning they are under by a factor of 10 (unless I have misread the context). They're already running at half of that, and with continued exponential growth they will reach 2,500 by 28th of April and 28,000 by the 1st of June. [Post edited 19 Apr 2021 13:48]
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Hopefully the worst case scenario doesn't materialise.
In many areas there are no hospital beds, oxygen supply and no vaccines;
the people will panic.
Today PM here actually spent some time reviewing the latest situation
and took some decisions but it's just closing the barn doors after horses have bolted.
It is possible Delhi will peak soon and Maharashtra as well
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/second-covid-19-wave-in-delhi-li
However these are not the danger areas.
The vast state of Uttar Pradesh is exploding with new cases
and has minimal facilities and of course poor governance.
Today High Court has intervened to lock down 5 of its major cities.
Really can't say which way this is going, but as an optimist
(who still believes in Fairies and promotion this season)
just maybe we'll survive a little longer.
Shame Boris not coming over,
he could have learned a lot about lying, passing the buck, blaming others
and ostrich impersonations.
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| Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list on 12:44 - Apr 23 with 2339 views | StokieBlue |
So India is now on the red list, 9 days after this thread and obviously far too late.
The most sequenced variant of C19 in the UK (after the UK variant) is now the Indian B1617 variant. It's not huge numbers at the moment but it's definitely here and most likely has been for a month or two (but closing up sooner would likely still have helped).
This table is quite interesting to show the difference between the variants - with regards to the Indian variant a lot of the answers are "don't know" at the moment:
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