| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now 22:03 - Jul 20 with 1702 views | pointofblue |
Strongly reliant on agent business just to get them up there. Not quite as bad as Watford with the owners running a plethora of clubs but up there with them. Nothing wrong or illegal with it but feels like another club working the system to the detriment of football as whole.
But, as I said, I freely admit I’m probably being irrational!
ETA - basically I believe they represent everything which is wrong with modern football now. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 22:10]
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 22:59 - Jul 20 with 1625 views | Ewan_Oozami |
They should be playing in the Portugese League.. |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 23:00 - Jul 20 with 1625 views | pointofblue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 22:59 - Jul 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
They should be playing in the Portugese League.. |
No, Premier League is fine but they do appear to be a case of who you know rather than what you know. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 23:00]
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 00:02 - Jul 21 with 1547 views | ParisBlue |
To be fair to them they have spent their money well.
That said I'm not not sure how I'd feel If similar were to happen with us and whether you lose your identity. Wolves to me is more about Bull, Hibbert, Richards than the current crew. |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 01:01 - Jul 21 with 1510 views | pointofblue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 00:02 - Jul 21 by ParisBlue |
To be fair to them they have spent their money well.
That said I'm not not sure how I'd feel If similar were to happen with us and whether you lose your identity. Wolves to me is more about Bull, Hibbert, Richards than the current crew. |
At what point to you accept selling the club’s soul for a bit of success? | |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 06:46 - Jul 21 with 1385 views | Keno |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 01:01 - Jul 21 by pointofblue |
At what point to you accept selling the club’s soul for a bit of success? |
better than what Town have done in selling our soul for a whole heap of failure |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:04 - Jul 21 with 1294 views | Warkystache |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 01:01 - Jul 21 by pointofblue |
At what point to you accept selling the club’s soul for a bit of success? |
Sadly, for clubs of our size (and I think Wolves and Watford are comparable with us, if not on the pitch) this is the way forward. The Pozzos at Watford basically cheated/were clever by using their Granada connections to get players who were capable of getting them promoted from the Championship and then make them secure in the Premier.
Wolves and Fosun have utilised the Portuguese leagues and bought in players who have genuine pedigree. It's why non-football experienced owners like Evans will never be able to compete; no idea of a plan except to blindly trust bad managers with a meagre transfer budget, no team-building concept, no commitment to change.
It's sad that we make the same mistakes year after year. It'll take us a while to get promotion even back to the Championship using this model. Who knows what state we'll be in by then? |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:07 - Jul 21 with 1282 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 22:59 - Jul 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
They should be playing in the Portugese League.. |
Global Britain at its best. Stop being a little Englander  |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:12 - Jul 21 with 1279 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 01:01 - Jul 21 by pointofblue |
At what point to you accept selling the club’s soul for a bit of success? |
Like selling to an anonymous business man who at the time was a tax exile? 
Seems rather strange to single out Wolves when pretty much every transfer involves an agent. Wolves weren’t even anywhere near the big spenders in agent fees last year https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/53170215 |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:30 - Jul 21 with 1237 views | bluebud |
...If the Wolves/Watford model had been instigated first by ME with us and had resulted in a near top 4 or 6 Premier league...
...you, me and everyone on this thread and every Ipswich supporter would have been delighted and right behind the idea. [Post edited 21 Jul 2020 8:34]
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:42 - Jul 21 with 1203 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:30 - Jul 21 by bluebud |
...If the Wolves/Watford model had been instigated first by ME with us and had resulted in a near top 4 or 6 Premier league...
...you, me and everyone on this thread and every Ipswich supporter would have been delighted and right behind the idea. [Post edited 21 Jul 2020 8:34]
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Of course. I don’t even mind Wolves or Watford going down their respective routes. Neither are that novel. | |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 09:42 - Jul 21 with 1120 views | Johnny_Boy |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 01:01 - Jul 21 by pointofblue |
At what point to you accept selling the club’s soul for a bit of success? |
Give me money spent with a whiff of success, compared to the indignity of happily finishing bottom of the league, collecting that guaranteed consolation pay-cheque & repeating the yo-yo process 5 times over 10 years. |  | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 09:48 - Jul 21 with 1099 views | Radlett_blue |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 08:04 - Jul 21 by Warkystache |
Sadly, for clubs of our size (and I think Wolves and Watford are comparable with us, if not on the pitch) this is the way forward. The Pozzos at Watford basically cheated/were clever by using their Granada connections to get players who were capable of getting them promoted from the Championship and then make them secure in the Premier.
Wolves and Fosun have utilised the Portuguese leagues and bought in players who have genuine pedigree. It's why non-football experienced owners like Evans will never be able to compete; no idea of a plan except to blindly trust bad managers with a meagre transfer budget, no team-building concept, no commitment to change.
It's sad that we make the same mistakes year after year. It'll take us a while to get promotion even back to the Championship using this model. Who knows what state we'll be in by then? |
The Pozzos at Watford have owned Udinese since 1986 & their model has been based on an extensive global scouting network, rather like a souped up forerunner of Benham's model at Brentford. They also owned Granada between 2009 & 2016. When they bought Watford, they owned 3 clubs & understandably channelled some of their best prospects there to secure the huge PL income. My local contacts also tell me they have neglected the once outstanding Academy at Watford, as they think it doesn't provide value for money & who can blame them? A far cry from the traditional football model. Will be interesting to see what happens if Watford are relegated. |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:05 - Jul 21 with 1035 views | sundaze |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 09:42 - Jul 21 by Johnny_Boy |
Give me money spent with a whiff of success, compared to the indignity of happily finishing bottom of the league, collecting that guaranteed consolation pay-cheque & repeating the yo-yo process 5 times over 10 years. |
Give me their 5 promotions in 10 years as opposed to our 2 relegations in 20 years and not one promotion to shout about. |  | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:21 - Jul 21 with 1025 views | BloomBlue |
I get your point but I always ask in these situations if Ipswich was in the same situation using the same methods as Wolves are would you be happy or unhappy? |  | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:43 - Jul 21 with 992 views | thatdamgood89 |
Wolves are one of the smartest clubs in football. Agents run the game so why not get one to run your club?
You literally have first refusal on a list of players and the Agent of course knows other Agents to get deals over the line.
It's not right but it's modern football and Wolves are simply leading the way for me.
Wolves have gone from League 1 to possible Champions League places...I'll take that. |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:48 - Jul 21 with 981 views | tractorboy1978 |
It's like they've discovered that recruiting well scouted, hungry, decent players and appointing a canny manager is a recipe for success.
Absolutely baffles me how people take some sort of moral high ground against the likes of Wolves, Brentford, Watford. | | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:50 - Jul 21 with 983 views | Johnny_Boy |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 11:05 - Jul 21 by sundaze |
Give me their 5 promotions in 10 years as opposed to our 2 relegations in 20 years and not one promotion to shout about. |
But there’s been no building blocks to survive in the Premiership. Even with all those parachute payments, a ball park of roughly £400m in collective Premiership money gained, global branding etc etc - it’s ALL been squandered for one individual season’s hoorah @ short term success. Let’s diplomatically rescind that first relegation. They’ve STILL blown 4 other chances just to miserably finish in a safe 17th position.
Even Burnley & Bournemouth have managed that. [Post edited 21 Jul 2020 12:37]
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 12:13 - Jul 21 with 932 views | solemio |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 00:02 - Jul 21 by ParisBlue |
To be fair to them they have spent their money well.
That said I'm not not sure how I'd feel If similar were to happen with us and whether you lose your identity. Wolves to me is more about Bull, Hibbert, Richards than the current crew. |
Wolves to me is Billy Wright, Ron Flowers, Bert Williams etc. Oh dear, rather sad!
They won the League, the Cup and did well in early European competitions. | | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 12:48 - Jul 21 with 880 views | PJH |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 12:13 - Jul 21 by solemio |
Wolves to me is Billy Wright, Ron Flowers, Bert Williams etc. Oh dear, rather sad!
They won the League, the Cup and did well in early European competitions. |
Eddie Clamp, Norman Deeley etc
My uncles were big Wolves fans.
I have it in my head that I saw them beat Chelsea 6-1 at Molineux and I just checked and it was on 30th December 1960 which seems about right as we went to my grandparents in Worcestershire for xmas/new year each year-I think Jimmy Greaves was playing for Chelsea.
I was in a 55000 crowd there for a night match 3-3 with WBA in the mid 1960's. |  | | |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 12:55 - Jul 21 with 856 views | jaykay |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 00:02 - Jul 21 by ParisBlue |
To be fair to them they have spent their money well.
That said I'm not not sure how I'd feel If similar were to happen with us and whether you lose your identity. Wolves to me is more about Bull, Hibbert, Richards than the current crew. |
there more cullis, dougan,flowers etc to me. |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 15:08 - Jul 21 with 804 views | itfcjoe |
I just don't see them having any identity any more, I'm not particularly jealous of their success as not the way I'd like to achieve it. they don't feel representative of their city or region.
I know Wolves fans, and Watford fans, and thy don't seem to mind at all and that their owners do invest and bring up the community with them etc so may be being a bit harsh - think it is because they don't have a core of English players |  |
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| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 15:10 - Jul 21 with 802 views | Libero |
| Probably irrational but I can’t stand Wolves now on 15:08 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see them having any identity any more, I'm not particularly jealous of their success as not the way I'd like to achieve it. they don't feel representative of their city or region.
I know Wolves fans, and Watford fans, and thy don't seem to mind at all and that their owners do invest and bring up the community with them etc so may be being a bit harsh - think it is because they don't have a core of English players |
Watford have a few British lads in fairness - off the top of my head, Deeney, Huges, Mariappa, Foster, Gray, Cleverly, Chalobah. |  | | |
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