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These fellas have some nerve 15:09 - Mar 14 with 823 viewsZedRodgers



I don't recall them offering Mr. Corbyn the same patience and tolerance back when it was even clearer it would be rejected HoC.

No, not at the moment

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These fellas have some nerve on 16:00 - Mar 14 with 702 viewsBloomBlue

It is a strange one, Labour said they wanted a people's vote and are now going to vote against it, there is craziness on all sides.
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These fellas have some nerve on 16:07 - Mar 14 with 667 viewsitfcjoe

It’s a joke, they should be voting for this - there may not be more time

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These fellas have some nerve on 16:32 - Mar 14 with 607 viewsZedRodgers

These fellas have some nerve on 16:07 - Mar 14 by itfcjoe

It’s a joke, they should be voting for this - there may not be more time


When it comes down to the crunch, they have to admit that the HoC arithmetic required for a People's Vote to pass simply isn't there right now.

They won't vote on it now because they know pushing it without the HoC numbers will ensure the whole thing destined for failure. Strangely, it didn't stop them berating Corbyn over why he hadn't come behind it in full swing. Now that TIG have to be seen to acting on the reasons they left their parties, the blame for blocking a People's Vote can no longer be attributed to Corbyn. Those who say he should whip to support this now need to acknowledge that Labour have already whipped to support an amendment for a People's Vote which failed at the hands of Soubry and her ex-colleagues.

It's very easy for People's Vote backers to dismiss a general election (even easier for the TIG) as if it's not a priority, when it would actually be the quickest route to the HoC arithmetic needed for the very thing they're after. It seems like disgruntled Tories are looking more and more like they will cause the tipping point that results in a general election, not the People's Vote chasers who desperately need a HoC majority.

No, not at the moment

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These fellas have some nerve on 16:40 - Mar 14 with 589 viewsBloomBlue

These fellas have some nerve on 16:32 - Mar 14 by ZedRodgers

When it comes down to the crunch, they have to admit that the HoC arithmetic required for a People's Vote to pass simply isn't there right now.

They won't vote on it now because they know pushing it without the HoC numbers will ensure the whole thing destined for failure. Strangely, it didn't stop them berating Corbyn over why he hadn't come behind it in full swing. Now that TIG have to be seen to acting on the reasons they left their parties, the blame for blocking a People's Vote can no longer be attributed to Corbyn. Those who say he should whip to support this now need to acknowledge that Labour have already whipped to support an amendment for a People's Vote which failed at the hands of Soubry and her ex-colleagues.

It's very easy for People's Vote backers to dismiss a general election (even easier for the TIG) as if it's not a priority, when it would actually be the quickest route to the HoC arithmetic needed for the very thing they're after. It seems like disgruntled Tories are looking more and more like they will cause the tipping point that results in a general election, not the People's Vote chasers who desperately need a HoC majority.


But only if you get a majority and I don't see any party getting a majority, so you're still kicking the can down the road
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These fellas have some nerve on 16:43 - Mar 14 with 577 viewsZedRodgers

These fellas have some nerve on 16:40 - Mar 14 by BloomBlue

But only if you get a majority and I don't see any party getting a majority, so you're still kicking the can down the road


The party who campaign on negotiating a compromised deal that will be put to the people will win a majority.

Marx my words.

No, not at the moment

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These fellas have some nerve on 16:46 - Mar 14 with 569 viewsStokieBlue

These fellas have some nerve on 16:32 - Mar 14 by ZedRodgers

When it comes down to the crunch, they have to admit that the HoC arithmetic required for a People's Vote to pass simply isn't there right now.

They won't vote on it now because they know pushing it without the HoC numbers will ensure the whole thing destined for failure. Strangely, it didn't stop them berating Corbyn over why he hadn't come behind it in full swing. Now that TIG have to be seen to acting on the reasons they left their parties, the blame for blocking a People's Vote can no longer be attributed to Corbyn. Those who say he should whip to support this now need to acknowledge that Labour have already whipped to support an amendment for a People's Vote which failed at the hands of Soubry and her ex-colleagues.

It's very easy for People's Vote backers to dismiss a general election (even easier for the TIG) as if it's not a priority, when it would actually be the quickest route to the HoC arithmetic needed for the very thing they're after. It seems like disgruntled Tories are looking more and more like they will cause the tipping point that results in a general election, not the People's Vote chasers who desperately need a HoC majority.


There isn’t the arithmetic to push for a general election but it didn’t stop Labour trying and it doesn’t stop JC mentioning it at every possible turn. Given that it seems a bit of a double-standard to cite that as the reasoning for not supporting something as it’s not being applied consistently. Maybe a GE would be the best thing to sort it all out but plenty of people are sceptical that Labour want a GE in order to implement their own policies and not to sort out any Brexit issues.

“It's very easy for People's Vote backers to dismiss a general election (even easier for the TIG) as if it's not a priority, when it would actually be the quickest route to the HoC arithmetic needed for the very thing they're after.”

Wouldn’t Labour push for their deal if they got and won a GE? Pretty sure that is what JC has said they would do so this is at odds with what you’ve claimed.

It’s a horrible mess. A four year extension would be nice, then you can have your GE within that time frame and the Brexit “solution” can be in the manifestos.

SB

Edit: Did a thread get pulled earlier?
[Post edited 14 Mar 16:47]

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These fellas have some nerve on 16:50 - Mar 14 with 543 viewsBloomBlue

These fellas have some nerve on 16:43 - Mar 14 by ZedRodgers

The party who campaign on negotiating a compromised deal that will be put to the people will win a majority.

Marx my words.


That will the Libs, Greens or SNP then.
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These fellas have some nerve on 17:12 - Mar 14 with 497 viewsZedRodgers

These fellas have some nerve on 16:46 - Mar 14 by StokieBlue

There isn’t the arithmetic to push for a general election but it didn’t stop Labour trying and it doesn’t stop JC mentioning it at every possible turn. Given that it seems a bit of a double-standard to cite that as the reasoning for not supporting something as it’s not being applied consistently. Maybe a GE would be the best thing to sort it all out but plenty of people are sceptical that Labour want a GE in order to implement their own policies and not to sort out any Brexit issues.

“It's very easy for People's Vote backers to dismiss a general election (even easier for the TIG) as if it's not a priority, when it would actually be the quickest route to the HoC arithmetic needed for the very thing they're after.”

Wouldn’t Labour push for their deal if they got and won a GE? Pretty sure that is what JC has said they would do so this is at odds with what you’ve claimed.

It’s a horrible mess. A four year extension would be nice, then you can have your GE within that time frame and the Brexit “solution” can be in the manifestos.

SB

Edit: Did a thread get pulled earlier?
[Post edited 14 Mar 16:47]


Admittedly there’s no majority for a General Election either yet, but it is still the most achievable thing to push for over trying to convert MPs into backing another referendum. A number of government MPs have suggested a General Election might be the best way out of this in the last couple of days. They will be joined by more frustrated colleagues the longer this shambles is allowed to continue.

Perhaps I should have been clearer that the energy of the People’s Vote MPs would be better spent on forcing the Prine Minister into a situation where she resigns, or where her own party can no longer continue under her leadership. It would certainly be a more effective tactic than berating Corbyn for not doing something they have now admitted would be an error.

Of course Labour want a general election to implement there own policies. No need for scepticism there. It would be impossible for them to not address Brexit issues in any campaign they run. They should campaign to negotiate their deal but promise to put it to the people. This is likely to be the direction of the membership when faced with a general election.

No, not at the moment

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