| I do worry about the future of Portman Road 15:08 - Feb 27 with 15982 views | GavTWTD |
If this takeover happens, I think there's a real possibility of them wanting to own their own ground. I have little to base this on, apart from it costs a lot of money to keep the ground maintained. If they are looking at adding value then a new ground is one way of doing it. Happy to be corrected as Portman Road is important to me as a fan. |  |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:47 - Feb 27 with 2266 views | GavTWTD |
So many people saying that the land isn't worth anything. Sorry but you're very wrong about that. Even residentially it's worth an absulte fortune. It's very close to the town centre.
Anyway, hopefully it won't happen as the place is very special to us all. I'm only a Town fan because my Dad's company built the Pioneer stand. I've laid concrete in the Pioneer Lower and swept the North Stand. | |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:49 - Feb 27 with 2246 views | jeera |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:47 - Feb 27 by GavTWTD |
So many people saying that the land isn't worth anything. Sorry but you're very wrong about that. Even residentially it's worth an absulte fortune. It's very close to the town centre.
Anyway, hopefully it won't happen as the place is very special to us all. I'm only a Town fan because my Dad's company built the Pioneer stand. I've laid concrete in the Pioneer Lower and swept the North Stand. |
I bet you swept the debris down the drain didn't you.
People like you are the reason people like me have had to have plumbers out for the past 3 weeks.
Don't do it again please. |  |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:52 - Feb 27 with 2241 views | BryanPlug |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:47 - Feb 27 by GavTWTD |
So many people saying that the land isn't worth anything. Sorry but you're very wrong about that. Even residentially it's worth an absulte fortune. It's very close to the town centre.
Anyway, hopefully it won't happen as the place is very special to us all. I'm only a Town fan because my Dad's company built the Pioneer stand. I've laid concrete in the Pioneer Lower and swept the North Stand. |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:58 - Feb 27 with 2219 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:52 - Feb 27 by BryanPlug |
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But if the new owners decide they no longer need that protection them I’m guessing the terms could be changed. |  | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:59 - Feb 27 with 2211 views | J2BLUE |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:58 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
But if the new owners decide they no longer need that protection them I’m guessing the terms could be changed. |
The owners can't do anything about it if the council don't agree. |  |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:00 - Feb 27 with 2211 views | Churchman |
If it transpired that somewhere down the line a new ground was considered, I’d prefer to see Portman Road redeveloped. The newest stand is 20 years old, the oldest will soon be 50 years old. It is ‘home’, it has character and its familiar. However, my Sunderland supporting chum told me they felt that way about Roker Park. When they walked into it first time the view of many changed to one of preferring better everything.
In an ideal world, I’d make the council an offer they couldn’t refuse (without the horse’s head) and redevelop on Portman Road, maybe where the old training pitch is (with a proper acoustically decent North Stand) so not impinging on the houses as the current north stand does and redevelop where the ground is for multi-purpose facilities.
All dreams. Shame I’m not an multi-billionaire. Hey ho. |  | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:01 - Feb 27 with 2201 views | jeera |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:58 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
But if the new owners decide they no longer need that protection them I’m guessing the terms could be changed. |
That's the whole point of protecting the site.
To protect it from owners. | |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:07 - Feb 27 with 2170 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:59 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
The owners can't do anything about it if the council don't agree. |
It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development . The covenant on the land is to protect the tenants. | | | |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:10 - Feb 27 with 2158 views | nshearman1 |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:00 - Feb 27 by Churchman |
If it transpired that somewhere down the line a new ground was considered, I’d prefer to see Portman Road redeveloped. The newest stand is 20 years old, the oldest will soon be 50 years old. It is ‘home’, it has character and its familiar. However, my Sunderland supporting chum told me they felt that way about Roker Park. When they walked into it first time the view of many changed to one of preferring better everything.
In an ideal world, I’d make the council an offer they couldn’t refuse (without the horse’s head) and redevelop on Portman Road, maybe where the old training pitch is (with a proper acoustically decent North Stand) so not impinging on the houses as the current north stand does and redevelop where the ground is for multi-purpose facilities.
All dreams. Shame I’m not an multi-billionaire. Hey ho. |
Agree with all of this. |  | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:11 - Feb 27 with 2154 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:00 - Feb 27 by Churchman |
If it transpired that somewhere down the line a new ground was considered, I’d prefer to see Portman Road redeveloped. The newest stand is 20 years old, the oldest will soon be 50 years old. It is ‘home’, it has character and its familiar. However, my Sunderland supporting chum told me they felt that way about Roker Park. When they walked into it first time the view of many changed to one of preferring better everything.
In an ideal world, I’d make the council an offer they couldn’t refuse (without the horse’s head) and redevelop on Portman Road, maybe where the old training pitch is (with a proper acoustically decent North Stand) so not impinging on the houses as the current north stand does and redevelop where the ground is for multi-purpose facilities.
All dreams. Shame I’m not an multi-billionaire. Hey ho. |
The Pioneer/Britannia/West stand lower 2 tiers date back to the 1950s. | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:11 - Feb 27 with 2153 views | J2BLUE |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:07 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development . The covenant on the land is to protect the tenants. |
The new owners are very unlikely to want to move and spend a fortune on a new stadium. Especially if they want to sell us on later. Why spend millions on a new smaller stadium when the current one is great and already there. A new ground will make zero difference to selling the club on. If they want to get us to the Prem then having a 30,000 seater stadium will be a selling point.
I think we're worrying about nothing at this point. | |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:13 - Feb 27 with 2141 views | jeera |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:07 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development . The covenant on the land is to protect the tenants. |
"It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development."
Well yeah, that is the threat and what Gav is alluding to also.
But the covenant isn't to protect the tenants, it's to keep that space for a community service in the shape of a sports ground. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:20]
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:15 - Feb 27 with 2128 views | SpruceMoose |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:13 - Feb 27 by jeera |
"It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development."
Well yeah, that is the threat and what Gav is alluding to also.
But the covenant isn't to protect the tenants, it's to keep that space for a community service in the shape of a sports ground. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:20]
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Which is odd really. When I lived in that area they never let me have a kick about on the pitch...
Some bloke sweeping cement into a drain chased me off with his broom. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:16]
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:16 - Feb 27 with 2119 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:13 - Feb 27 by jeera |
"It might be seen as more beneficial to the council though. If the club feel it’s better financially to move then the council may see that it’s better to release the land for potential lucrative development."
Well yeah, that is the threat and what Gav is alluding to also.
But the covenant isn't to protect the tenants, it's to keep that space for a community service in the shape of a sports ground. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:20]
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Fair enough. I suppose they could build a new leisure centre with housing on the adjoining land. | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:17 - Feb 27 with 2106 views | jeera |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:16 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
Fair enough. I suppose they could build a new leisure centre with housing on the adjoining land. |
Delete that in case someone reads it and takes it on board! | |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:17 - Feb 27 with 2102 views | Churchman |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:11 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
The Pioneer/Britannia/West stand lower 2 tiers date back to the 1950s. |
You are right! I should have remembered since I sat in it for my very first game in the late 60s
How old is the base part of Churchman's? The lower section had many modifications before the upper part was perched on it 2000/2001. I still mourn the departure of the old brick toilet behind it. When it was really cold you could see the steam coming out of both ends. It was a real hold your breath job in there. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:27]
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:22 - Feb 27 with 2071 views | BloomBlue |
That could happen, have us playing at MK Dons while they build the new stadium and they could recoup some money by selling the current stands on Ebay, buyer collects. |  | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:26 - Feb 27 with 2058 views | nodge_blue |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:47 - Feb 27 by GavTWTD |
So many people saying that the land isn't worth anything. Sorry but you're very wrong about that. Even residentially it's worth an absulte fortune. It's very close to the town centre.
Anyway, hopefully it won't happen as the place is very special to us all. I'm only a Town fan because my Dad's company built the Pioneer stand. I've laid concrete in the Pioneer Lower and swept the North Stand. |
Why didnt you sweep the other stands?
You got something against the Churchmans? |  |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:27 - Feb 27 with 2054 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:11 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
The new owners are very unlikely to want to move and spend a fortune on a new stadium. Especially if they want to sell us on later. Why spend millions on a new smaller stadium when the current one is great and already there. A new ground will make zero difference to selling the club on. If they want to get us to the Prem then having a 30,000 seater stadium will be a selling point.
I think we're worrying about nothing at this point. |
I agree. There is plenty of room for new development at Portman Road if deemed necessary. To be honest all it would really need is a new Stand to replace the Cobbold and perhaps a new roof on the Pioneer Stand as I still call it. Oh and maybe we could get some of those electronic advertising boards that most clubs have now. | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:39 - Feb 27 with 2033 views | HighgateBlue |
I totally totally agree, and the Council owning it actually insulates the club from any future owner doing a Derby with it, or losing it when they default on a loan.
Butt, as I've said many times, so many on here just want "Evans out" without any regard whatsoever to what happens next. |  | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:20 - Feb 27 with 1994 views | blueprint |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 18:17 - Feb 27 by Churchman |
You are right! I should have remembered since I sat in it for my very first game in the late 60s
How old is the base part of Churchman's? The lower section had many modifications before the upper part was perched on it 2000/2001. I still mourn the departure of the old brick toilet behind it. When it was really cold you could see the steam coming out of both ends. It was a real hold your breath job in there. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 18:27]
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Those old bogs were pretty grisly weren’t they? | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:25 - Feb 27 with 1983 views | Churchman |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:20 - Feb 27 by blueprint |
Those old bogs were pretty grisly weren’t they? |
The Churchmans one had that half a pipe affair to take the liquids away. The stench withstood the seasons. | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:29 - Feb 27 with 1972 views | MedwayTractor |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 17:52 - Feb 27 by BryanPlug |
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The user limitation will be either a restrictive covenant attached to the freehold title, or a specific clause in the ground lease. In either case, it is in the power of IBC to remove or adjust the limitation, in order to make redevelopment possible for an alternative use.
From the Council's standpoint, It would make most sense to take a surrender of the unexpired term of the headlease, taking vacant possession of the site. The Club should be able to negotiate a surrender premium, calculated on the basis of alternative use (eg housing). The premium would offset the new owners' purchase costs, or offset the cost of the new stadium.
I posted an alternative view for a new stadium site a few days ago, the sugar beet site on Sproughton Road, or what's left undeveloped. It is owned by IBC, so could form part of the PR lon lease deal. It has almost immediate road access from the A14 and the railway forms part of the site boundary, so giving the option for a match day rail link. |  |
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| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:31 - Feb 27 with 1958 views | easynote |
Take overs can be risky let’s hope we do a Leeds and not a Bolton | | | |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:33 - Feb 27 with 2343 views | Ryorry |
| I do worry about the future of Portman Road on 19:29 - Feb 27 by MedwayTractor |
The user limitation will be either a restrictive covenant attached to the freehold title, or a specific clause in the ground lease. In either case, it is in the power of IBC to remove or adjust the limitation, in order to make redevelopment possible for an alternative use.
From the Council's standpoint, It would make most sense to take a surrender of the unexpired term of the headlease, taking vacant possession of the site. The Club should be able to negotiate a surrender premium, calculated on the basis of alternative use (eg housing). The premium would offset the new owners' purchase costs, or offset the cost of the new stadium.
I posted an alternative view for a new stadium site a few days ago, the sugar beet site on Sproughton Road, or what's left undeveloped. It is owned by IBC, so could form part of the PR lon lease deal. It has almost immediate road access from the A14 and the railway forms part of the site boundary, so giving the option for a match day rail link. |
Cripes, you're not doing much for Gav's sleep pattern this w/e! |  |
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