| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:01 - Jul 11 with 7002 views | J2BLUE |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:58 - Jul 11 by jeera |
I'd say you're right but at the same time if they expect to be part of a group that also protects them what choice is there?
Banishment if they don't comply?
Each nation should respond in accordance to its capability.
I still cannot believe we've sat back and watched so many innocents die whilst applauding ourselves for sending weapons. |
If it comes time for NATO to take military action and nations refuse then they should be left to it if they need help.
I'm convinced some countries are in it for the protection if they get attacked but would quickly think again if it was another country further away. |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 16:18 - Jul 11 with 6894 views | Churchman |
In a Guardian article of 2/6 the author said:
‘The irony is painful. “For thirty years, Germans lectured Ukrainians about fascism,” the historian Timothy Snyder wrote recently. “When fascism actually arrived, Germans funded it, and Ukrainians died fighting it.”
So the Russians are squeezing Germany and the EU hard. I don’t blame them. The west can put away it shiny smiles and earnest speeches at the lectern and either get that knee bent to Putin and start grovelling or it can take its medicine and start working together to dig their way out of the mess. They put themselves in it, all for cheap energy and Ostpolitik.
That includes the U.K. which may not be so dependent on Russian energy, but is up to its elbows in blood through funding these animals so fulsomely before the war.
Edit: When it comes down to it, the west is all wind and hiss. Tough words, little actions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/10/canada-exempts-russian-gas-turbine
[Post edited 11 Jul 2022 17:05]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 18:44 - Jul 11 with 6863 views | Churchman |
Just like the Nazis then. ‘Spoils of war’. Animals | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:49 - Jul 11 with 6817 views | Churchman |
For goodness sake don’t let Putin see this. It’ll make him unhappy | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 23:56 - Jul 11 with 6784 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:49 - Jul 11 by Churchman |
For goodness sake don’t let Putin see this. It’ll make him unhappy |
Sorry I forgot about that and of course there would be consequences. Ireland does not have the protection of NATO so he will probably lob a few cruise missiles over here. |  | | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 05:13 - Jul 12 with 6762 views | Churchman |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 23:56 - Jul 11 by Eireannach_gorm |
Sorry I forgot about that and of course there would be consequences. Ireland does not have the protection of NATO so he will probably lob a few cruise missiles over here. |
I doubt he’d differentiate between Ireland, England or anywhere else in the British Isles.
Anyway, with the nuclear threat we have, and I’ve been assured by people who know this stuff that it works, he will threat and bluster but won’t do anything other than economic measures. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:16 - Jul 12 with 6673 views | jeera |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 23:56 - Jul 11 by Eireannach_gorm |
Sorry I forgot about that and of course there would be consequences. Ireland does not have the protection of NATO so he will probably lob a few cruise missiles over here. |
And you have been an outspoken opponent. |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:36 - Jul 12 with 6647 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:16 - Jul 12 by jeera |
And you have been an outspoken opponent. |
I think Ireland have rather less need of NATO than most other countries their size. Part in due to the special place in the US emotions it holds and part in due to the proximity and border it shares with the UK. I am quite sure any military attack on them would see a response from one or other (or more likely both) of those. |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:23 - Jul 13 with 6549 views | Churchman |
Thank you for this. It’s really interesting.
Today’s MOD Briefing:
In the Donbas, Russian forces will likely focus on taking several small towns during the coming week, including Siversk and Dolyna on the approaches to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. The urban
areas of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk likely remain the principal objectives for this phase of the
operation.
Russia continues to seek to undermine the legitimacy of the Ukrainian state and consolidate its
own governance and administrative control over occupied parts of Ukraine. Recently this has
included an initiative to twin Russian and Ukrainian cities and regions to develop post-conflict
administrations and a decree to make it easier for Ukrainians to obtain Russian citizenship.
Anti-Russian sentiment in occupied Ukraine is leading to Russian and pro-Russian officials being
targeted. The Russian-appointed administration in Velykyy Burluk acknowledged that one of its
mayors was killed on 11 July 2022 by a car bombing. The targeting of officials is likely to escalate,
exacerbating the already significant challenges facing the Russian occupiers and potentially
increasing the pressure on already reduced military and security formations. [Post edited 13 Jul 2022 8:24]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 15:25 - Jul 13 with 6494 views | Eireannach_gorm |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 15:43 - Jul 13 with 6481 views | Churchman |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 15:25 - Jul 13 by Eireannach_gorm |
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Nice to see the nut jobs supporting each other.
In 2018, Kim Jong-un, according to the Independent, had 11 musicians executed with an anti-aircraft gun. After that the tanks rolled up and mashed in the bits. He also ordered aides to pick out sex slaves fromNorth Korea’s schools, according to a defector.
Just the kind of person whose ‘recognition’ for Putin’s illegal actions is going to count for so much. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 15:44 - Jul 13 with 6471 views | Eireannach_gorm |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:31 - Jul 13 with 6405 views | Eireannach_gorm |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:40 - Jul 13 with 6402 views | Eireannach_gorm |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:10 - Jul 13 with 6390 views | jeera |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:40 - Jul 13 by Eireannach_gorm |
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They're not going to see it though are they.
The average Russian has no idea and most probably never will. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:30 - Jul 13 with 6371 views | Churchman |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:10 - Jul 13 by jeera |
They're not going to see it though are they.
The average Russian has no idea and most probably never will. |
It’s doubtful. I think there is an element of soaking up the relentless and thorough propaganda, a desire to support their liberating forces, fear of questioning, a desire to keep one’s head down, nationalism and other factors.
I hope years of exposure to the west style living and products, access to the worldwide web will lead to people questioning, even if it’s private or when the funerals grow too great in number. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:58 - Jul 13 with 6326 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
My child had a production of Treachery at Traitors' Quay. I felt for the Ukrainian girl who is there now. I wonder what she makes of it and how she has been affected (aside from the obvious that she has been brought to live with a family member here while her parents are still in Ukraine).
It is just a game and people are just pawns in it to Putin and those at his level. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:43 - Jul 14 with 6219 views | Churchman |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:58 - Jul 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
My child had a production of Treachery at Traitors' Quay. I felt for the Ukrainian girl who is there now. I wonder what she makes of it and how she has been affected (aside from the obvious that she has been brought to live with a family member here while her parents are still in Ukraine).
It is just a game and people are just pawns in it to Putin and those at his level. |
The nature of totalitarian states that the more people you kill, the greater the respect, fear and bending to your will. It is strength. Control of life and death is power. Their world is all of their making and one where you are never wrong. Dictators often raise people to serve, setting them against their peers then getting rid of them if they get too powerful.
Stalin was a class act in that removing his senior people regularly in purges, including generals etc just before Germany invaded on 22/6/41. Not the best timing and when his army got battered? It didn’t matter, replace the replacements.
Kim Jong-un had his Defence Minister blown to bits by anti-aircraft gun for nodding off during some performance or other. Hitler just had them shot (night of the long knives), poisoned, had an accident. Pawns.
A clever butcher mixes a little carrot with a lot of stick. In WW2 Reinhard Heydrich, a clever stylish ambitious man, was given Czechoslovakia to look after. Workers rations were improved, able people promoted and rate of round ups and killings increased in a model of efficiency. He was so good he headed up the Wannsee conference that decided on ‘the final solution’ and there is little doubt he would have got rid of Himmler in time in his quest for power and maybe challenged Hitler in the longer term. A dictator in the making. Would Hitler have got rid of him first? Who knows. Luckily for the world two brave Czech SOE operatives assassinated him.
So yes is that people are a resource, numbers, to be used or disposed of. Nothing. Putin will see the disposal of generals and his own people as a cost but also a great benefit. The more the better. People can be replaced easily. It will drive fear, increase his control over subordinates, increase his power.
He would have no problem using nuclear weapons but for one reason. Somebody using them on him because of his inbuilt cowardice. Same with Kim Jong-un. It’s why having nuclear capability and making Putin understand you will use it is crucial. These are the people the west is dealing with.
The odd one is India. I understand it’s hatred of the west, particularly Britain given its history, but to ally yourself so closely to totalitarian states like Russia and China makes no sense to me. It seems a ‘lazy’ decision, somewhat similar to Germany laying down before Russia for cheap energy and peace (that went well) in recent years. It has a choice to make. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 7:47]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 16:41 - Jul 14 with 6148 views | Eireannach_gorm |
This was one of the strikes.
Interesting this shows the missile launcher that stuck flight MH17 going through Snizhne.
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 16:47 - Jul 14 with 6871 views | Eireannach_gorm |
.... meanwhile the Russians just bomb anything they can hit.
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