| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? 15:42 - Jan 27 with 4212 views | GlasgowBlue |
Still by far a preferable option to Johnson (sorry to piss on your parade Herbie) and if there was an election tomorrow he would still get my vote.
But he seems to offer little in way of constructive alternatives.
He got off to a fantastic start and forensically took Johnson apart every week at PMQ's. But that approach seems to have worn off and he appears to now whinge for whinging sake.
He was, and still is, all over the shop on the closing/ re-opening of schools. Now, after berating Johnson for ignoring his scientific advisors, he wants to tear up the JCVI plan to vaccinate the population in order of priority, and introduce his own list of people deemed as a priority which seems to get longer and longer each time he opens his mouth.
I hope Koonters isn't to be proved right and we've been sold a pup. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:50 - Jan 27 with 1006 views | footers |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:44 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
As I said in the post, there is a massive bill to pay for the past 12 months of economic stimulus, and some very hard decisions to be made about how we pay it.
In 2024 we could be couple of years into another period of austerity and massive tax increases.
There will be a sense of euphoria when we come out of this and if we come out of it vaccinated before many other countries then he may decide that it's his best chance of winning.
2024 will be very difficult. |
They won't increase many taxes, you know that.
They'll usher in a new dawn of austerity and the poorest will foot the bill, yet again. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:50 - Jan 27 with 1003 views | SpruceMoose |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:48 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That's the sort of silly statement Lucan was on about a couple of weeks ago.
There are good and bad people in all political parties. Most of them want what they believe is best for the country. They just differ on how to achieve that.
The talk last week by Clinton, Bush and Obama is a good example of that. Disagreement on policy but respect for each other's commitment to the job and no character assassination because of their political disagreements. |
Oh my sweet summer child. Bless your heart. Of course you want that to be true.
I'm not sure I'll lose much sleep over the things Lucan considers to be silly either. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:51 - Jan 27 with 1001 views | SpruceMoose |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:50 - Jan 27 by footers |
They won't increase many taxes, you know that.
They'll usher in a new dawn of austerity and the poorest will foot the bill, yet again. |
Now, now Footers. There are a lot of good people on both sides. One sides just believes that the best thing for the country is to pummel the poor. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 16:54]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:54 - Jan 27 with 985 views | MonkeyAlan |
Boris is a good egg really. |  | | |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:55 - Jan 27 with 985 views | BlueBadger |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:03 - Jan 27 by Radlett_blue |
Indeed. While the government's handling of COVID is understandably the topic of the month (or the year) by the time of the next election voters should be choosing the party with the best policies for the country's future, rather than harping on about COVID. |
Anyone who looks at Tory plans for the future and looks at how they've performed over this past year, on covid alone(for example), and then still votes for them has managed a feat of even greater stupidity than voting for them in 2019. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 17:09]
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:55 - Jan 27 with 978 views | SpruceMoose |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:54 - Jan 27 by MonkeyAlan |
Boris is a good egg really. |
You keep saying 'good' when I'm sure you mean 'dog'! | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:58 - Jan 27 with 963 views | wkj |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:55 - Jan 27 by SpruceMoose |
You keep saying 'good' when I'm sure you mean 'dog'! |
A series of own goals giving us a horrific death by population rate... i can't imagine what a bad egg is like. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:58 - Jan 27 with 961 views | m14_blue |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:54 - Jan 27 by MonkeyAlan |
Boris is a good egg really. |
You’re a repetitive bore. |  | | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:02 - Jan 27 with 946 views | Pinewoodblue |
Starmer looked a little uncomfortable chiding Boris for not learning from previous events when he was working from home having, for the third time, been instructed by track and trace to self isolate. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:02 - Jan 27 with 940 views | MonkeyAlan |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:58 - Jan 27 by m14_blue |
You’re a repetitive bore. |
You Sir, are rude. | | | |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:03 - Jan 27 with 943 views | BlueBadger |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:48 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That's the sort of silly statement Lucan was on about a couple of weeks ago.
There are good and bad people in all political parties. Most of them want what they believe is best for the country. They just differ on how to achieve that.
The talk last week by Clinton, Bush and Obama is a good example of that. Disagreement on policy but respect for each other's commitment to the job and no character assassination because of their political disagreements. |
Where are all these 'good people' when the psychos are running riot?
For all the talk of there being 'good people' in the Tory party right now, they've all lined up to vote down provision of free school meals in holidays and lockdowns, protections for workers' rights post Brexit and protections agains free-market floating of NHS services.
I'm sick of the talk of 'there's plenty who are appalled by this on the back benches' when this on the back benches fall into line time after time. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:05 - Jan 27 with 925 views | m14_blue |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:02 - Jan 27 by MonkeyAlan |
You Sir, are rude. |
That is literally a verbatim quote of one of your posts. | | | |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:07 - Jan 27 with 919 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:51 - Jan 27 by SpruceMoose |
Now, now Footers. There are a lot of good people on both sides. One sides just believes that the best thing for the country is to pummel the poor. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 16:54]
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And yet in 2019 some people enthusiastically voted to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. A man currently suspended from his own party whip because of his role in antisemitism.
Some people abstained from voting because it was a choice between an incompetent racist or a racist incompetent.
So yeah. Good and bad people on both sides. I'd like to think you have more in common with people like Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart than you do with Ken Livingstone and Chris Williamson. I hope you'd agree. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:13 - Jan 27 with 904 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:07 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
And yet in 2019 some people enthusiastically voted to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. A man currently suspended from his own party whip because of his role in antisemitism.
Some people abstained from voting because it was a choice between an incompetent racist or a racist incompetent.
So yeah. Good and bad people on both sides. I'd like to think you have more in common with people like Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart than you do with Ken Livingstone and Chris Williamson. I hope you'd agree. |
It shouldn’t need repeating but even the EHRC report blew a hole in that smeary narrative.
Unless we raise the standard of debate to something much more evidence-based then we’re going to keep getting these useless politicians and ultimately harmful policies. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:20 - Jan 27 with 878 views | giant_stow |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:51 - Jan 27 by SpruceMoose |
Now, now Footers. There are a lot of good people on both sides. One sides just believes that the best thing for the country is to pummel the poor. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 16:54]
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The only thing of any size left to cut are pensions - can;t see the Tories doing that, pesonally. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:21 - Jan 27 with 875 views | SpruceMoose |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:07 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
And yet in 2019 some people enthusiastically voted to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. A man currently suspended from his own party whip because of his role in antisemitism.
Some people abstained from voting because it was a choice between an incompetent racist or a racist incompetent.
So yeah. Good and bad people on both sides. I'd like to think you have more in common with people like Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart than you do with Ken Livingstone and Chris Williamson. I hope you'd agree. |
I'm not sure I hold the same high opinion of Rory Stewart and Co. as you do.
But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure, any day now, these good Conservatives, who have kept quiet for a decade or more, will come sweeping in and start opposing the first instinct of their party - namely punching down.
Honestly GB, I can't believe that you truly believe half the stuff in your post. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 17:24]
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:24 - Jan 27 with 862 views | SpruceMoose |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:20 - Jan 27 by giant_stow |
The only thing of any size left to cut are pensions - can;t see the Tories doing that, pesonally. |
There are still libraries open aren't there? People are still receiving benefits aren't they?
Don't be fooled. They know exactly where they're going to target next (despite not needing to). | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:26 - Jan 27 with 850 views | footers |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:24 - Jan 27 by SpruceMoose |
There are still libraries open aren't there? People are still receiving benefits aren't they?
Don't be fooled. They know exactly where they're going to target next (despite not needing to). |
The fun really begins when we achieve tax haven status, complete with freeports! | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:26 - Jan 27 with 848 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:13 - Jan 27 by Darth_Koont |
It shouldn’t need repeating but even the EHRC report blew a hole in that smeary narrative.
Unless we raise the standard of debate to something much more evidence-based then we’re going to keep getting these useless politicians and ultimately harmful policies. |
It shouldn’t need repeating but the EHRC concluded "that there were unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination for which the Labour Party is responsible."
They even devoted a whole chapter to Corbyn's role in the whole sorry affair. And he remains suspended from the Parliamentary Labour party.
The world isn't an old wester movie where the good guys wear white hats and the bad guys wear black.
There are many decent and good people in the Labour party, as there are in the Tories, SNP, Liberals etc. There are also some utter c@nts in all of them.
The all Tories are bad all Labour are good argument is something I would expect from sixth form debating society. Not grown adults. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 17:38]
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:39 - Jan 27 with 824 views | tractordownsouth |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 15:53 - Jan 27 by footers |
Starmer is too much of an Enlightened Centrist to even begin start thinking about UBI. Don't upset the applecart. Careful now. |
I can't say I'm well versed in the details of UBI but doesn't the fact it also subsidises the very wealthiest make it a regressive policy?
Like I said, I'm happy to be proven wrong but that's what it seems like at first glance. |  |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:43 - Jan 27 with 821 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:26 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
It shouldn’t need repeating but the EHRC concluded "that there were unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination for which the Labour Party is responsible."
They even devoted a whole chapter to Corbyn's role in the whole sorry affair. And he remains suspended from the Parliamentary Labour party.
The world isn't an old wester movie where the good guys wear white hats and the bad guys wear black.
There are many decent and good people in the Labour party, as there are in the Tories, SNP, Liberals etc. There are also some utter c@nts in all of them.
The all Tories are bad all Labour are good argument is something I would expect from sixth form debating society. Not grown adults. [Post edited 27 Jan 2021 17:38]
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Well, apart from the evidence not showing that he was a racist or that he tried to ignore it. In fact he fell foul of the EHRC by actively trying to speed up cases being dealt with.
You know all this though.
No-one, and I repeat no-one, credible is calling Corbyn a racist. Or now arguing that he didn’t do nearly enough. Because they’d be going against the EHRC findings on that score.
It’s only you and the loony Collier/Gnasher echo chamber who are still banging that drum. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:43 - Jan 27 with 815 views | tractordownsouth |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:33 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Johnson may well call a snap election on the back of vaccinating the nation and delivering Brexit.
Very risky. But we'll be paying the price for Rishi's Covid spending come 2024. |
Can't see it myself. I know we're in strange times but 3 snap elections in 4 or 5 years would be rather odd.
Although if he did call a snap election, I think it'll be with a view to getting an extra 2 years with a similar or reduced majority, as Brown should've done in 2007, rather than in expectations that the Tories would gain seats, as May tried and failed to do in 2017. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:45 - Jan 27 with 813 views | tractordownsouth |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 16:39 - Jan 27 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
And while he’s been triangulating on empty platitudes like family, nation and opportunity as well as showing donors and the media that they’re in charge of the agenda, he still hasn’t cut through to the Red Wall this is all aimed at.
I don’t think they like or trust him enough – and certainly there’s nothing to inspire. Meanwhile he’s peed off much of the remaining support including BAME, distanced Labour from Scotland even further and disillusioned much of the core Remainers.
I think he is a decent man but lacking any real political vision is a massive handicap, especially when you’re surrounded and seemingly controlled by the empty politics in spades of the Labour Right LOTO, party HQ and the majority of the PLP. Their ideology is to be useful to the establishment – which is a remarkable misreading of where the UK is and what its citizens need. |
https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-poll-reveals-labour-leads-in-red-wall-co
"If there was an election today, polling suggests the Conservatives would only hold on to nine of the 45 seats (in the so called red wall) they won in 2019 — all but wiping out their majority"
It's not going perfectly by any means, but to say it hasn't cut through is false. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:48 - Jan 27 with 807 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:39 - Jan 27 by tractordownsouth |
I can't say I'm well versed in the details of UBI but doesn't the fact it also subsidises the very wealthiest make it a regressive policy?
Like I said, I'm happy to be proven wrong but that's what it seems like at first glance. |
I think the idea is that it’s cheaper and establishes more of a right to give it to everyone. Then you can factor it into tax policy such as income tax rates, allowances and rebates for those who don’t need it. | |
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| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:50 - Jan 27 with 802 views | tractordownsouth |
| What's happened to Kier Starmer lately? on 17:03 - Jan 27 by BlueBadger |
Where are all these 'good people' when the psychos are running riot?
For all the talk of there being 'good people' in the Tory party right now, they've all lined up to vote down provision of free school meals in holidays and lockdowns, protections for workers' rights post Brexit and protections agains free-market floating of NHS services.
I'm sick of the talk of 'there's plenty who are appalled by this on the back benches' when this on the back benches fall into line time after time. |
I'm not disagreeing with the idea that some in the Tory Party are good folks, but it does speak volumes about the 2019 intake that Jeremy Hunt, the man who caused so much damage to the NHS, is now one of the more sensible ones on the Tory backbenches. | |
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