| Looks like Simpson is leaving then 14:47 - Apr 21 with 7713 views | tractordownsouth |
At least 2 strikers must be incoming. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 14:47]
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:02 - Apr 21 with 1798 views | PhilTWTD |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 16:42 - Apr 21 by itfcjoe |
A real shame and feels as though he's being badly advised, although he might well point to the fact there isn't a great pathway for him here as we'll play one up front and have at least 3 senior (and no doubt expensively contracted) players for his position next season
He's not ina particularly strong position to negotiate an exit from as we have an option, and compo due even after that so that's where the badly advised comes from.
Anyway, good luck to him - we move on |
Indeed. I think there's also an element of him being perceived as a young fringe player by Town and a first-teamer by him and his people following the spell at Swindon (perhaps some similarities with Kieffer Moore after his spell at Rotherham).
From what I gather the contract on offer is more in the former realm than the latter and I assume his representatives believe they can get him more elsewhere and, as you say, that he'll have a clearer pathway to becoming a regular. |  | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:03 - Apr 21 with 1785 views | LeoMuff |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 16:33 - Apr 21 by J2BLUE |
Let's see where he ends up. He may well be expecting to go back to league two and be a first team player. Everyone is criticising him for something he hasn't done yet.
If he just wants to play then good luck to him. If he hadn't been very good for the last few years and we were releasing him how much sympathy would the fans have? It's a two way street. |
Not a snowflakes chance in hell he ends up in league 2. Will be at worst a top league 1 but most likely Championship, think Hull , Cardiff and Barnsley were mentioned.
If he wanted to play regularly in league 1 or 2 he could go out on loan from us and get paid more at the same time, makes no sense. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:05 - Apr 21 with 1765 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Fair enough if he wants to leave, but not training with the club? That really does raise question marks about his character. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:11 - Apr 21 with 1749 views | jayessess |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:02 - Apr 21 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed. I think there's also an element of him being perceived as a young fringe player by Town and a first-teamer by him and his people following the spell at Swindon (perhaps some similarities with Kieffer Moore after his spell at Rotherham).
From what I gather the contract on offer is more in the former realm than the latter and I assume his representatives believe they can get him more elsewhere and, as you say, that he'll have a clearer pathway to becoming a regular. |
Hard to see that materialising, you would've thought? Unless our offer is very low, it's unclear who'd be rich enough to pay fee and wages, but would also entertain someone of Simpson's profile being a first team regular in the near future.
Unless they've got a specific club lined up who want to go all in with Simpson, then you wonder if they might find some of their "interest" is ultimately a bit weak... [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 17:18]
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:31 - Apr 21 with 1696 views | Jimmy86 |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 16:42 - Apr 21 by itfcjoe |
A real shame and feels as though he's being badly advised, although he might well point to the fact there isn't a great pathway for him here as we'll play one up front and have at least 3 senior (and no doubt expensively contracted) players for his position next season
He's not ina particularly strong position to negotiate an exit from as we have an option, and compo due even after that so that's where the badly advised comes from.
Anyway, good luck to him - we move on |
What has he done in an ipswich shirt to prove he deserves a pathway?! He's demanding this and that off the back of a decent loan spell with a team a league below us..
With these academy boys I believe if they're truly good enough they'll get their chance... we have to be real though and say under game changer the bar has well and truly been raised regarding the caliber of players we are targeting.. |  | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:34 - Apr 21 with 1695 views | PhilTWTD |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:11 - Apr 21 by jayessess |
Hard to see that materialising, you would've thought? Unless our offer is very low, it's unclear who'd be rich enough to pay fee and wages, but would also entertain someone of Simpson's profile being a first team regular in the near future.
Unless they've got a specific club lined up who want to go all in with Simpson, then you wonder if they might find some of their "interest" is ultimately a bit weak... [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 17:18]
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I'm sure someone will see him as an opportunity to sign, develop and sell on. As I say, I don't think our offer is one which is viewed as at the level he and his people see him as being at. It's pretty much the same situation as with Liam Gibbs last summer. | | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:34 - Apr 21 with 1688 views | ITFCBlues |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 16:42 - Apr 21 by itfcjoe |
A real shame and feels as though he's being badly advised, although he might well point to the fact there isn't a great pathway for him here as we'll play one up front and have at least 3 senior (and no doubt expensively contracted) players for his position next season
He's not ina particularly strong position to negotiate an exit from as we have an option, and compo due even after that so that's where the badly advised comes from.
Anyway, good luck to him - we move on |
What's your views on the academy situation here then Joe? Thinking about Dyers comments as well. Taking a back burner? Used more as a trading tool as such? |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:04 - Apr 21 with 1642 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 16:22 - Apr 21 by N2_Blue |
Who's angry.
Just saying what i think of Simpson, but not angry at all. Don't think Town will will worry about it or regret what happens with him, but i have a feeling Simpson may well do one day.
We'll do far better and get proven strikers, but he may well have been useful to have on the books and as back up. His loss more than ours, just disappointed and surprised in his attitude from someone who was meant to be grounded. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 16:25]
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"Simpson can fk off, Comes across as a knob and i was a real fan of his.
Attitudes like this feck me off, bin him off now. I cannot wish him luck and genuinely hope he regrets this decision big time in a few years."
- sounds like the words of someone angry. Or even a jilted lover!
Playing devil's advocate, we don't know the full story, or even very much of the story, and there could be all manner of reasons we don't know about. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:09 - Apr 21 with 1631 views | N2_Blue |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:04 - Apr 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Simpson can fk off, Comes across as a knob and i was a real fan of his.
Attitudes like this feck me off, bin him off now. I cannot wish him luck and genuinely hope he regrets this decision big time in a few years."
- sounds like the words of someone angry. Or even a jilted lover!
Playing devil's advocate, we don't know the full story, or even very much of the story, and there could be all manner of reasons we don't know about. |
Annoyed maybe but definitely not angry.
His attitude stinks and we're better off without players with that mentality anyway.
He's had very little time at Town since Mckenna has walked in the door, nearly every town player has spoken highly of the manager and yet he wants out. See ya then |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:16 - Apr 21 with 1609 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:09 - Apr 21 by N2_Blue |
Annoyed maybe but definitely not angry.
His attitude stinks and we're better off without players with that mentality anyway.
He's had very little time at Town since Mckenna has walked in the door, nearly every town player has spoken highly of the manager and yet he wants out. See ya then |
Is there a story I've missed perhaps? | |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 18:47 - Apr 21 with 1574 views | wkj |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:34 - Apr 21 by ITFCBlues |
What's your views on the academy situation here then Joe? Thinking about Dyers comments as well. Taking a back burner? Used more as a trading tool as such? |
I know this wasn't aimed at me, but without going all MakinFiles, I have questioned the validity of having the academy for a while. Whilst we have had players who joined the senior team and got a bit of scratch for moving on, it feels like we get no real ROI on what it costs to run it.
IMHO, when you're in the lower leagues, what you want is for a Madison to come along every so often and fill the coffers, very few players ever seem to end up playing regularly for their senior team for the long term. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 18:54]
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:52 - Apr 21 with 1516 views | Hipsterectomy |
There is no way we will use the option. It would go against everything Ashton has said about wanting people here who want to be here |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:55 - Apr 21 with 1511 views | LeoMuff |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:52 - Apr 21 by Hipsterectomy |
There is no way we will use the option. It would go against everything Ashton has said about wanting people here who want to be here |
We will, then we will sell him. | |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:55 - Apr 21 with 1512 views | Parky |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:52 - Apr 21 by Hipsterectomy |
There is no way we will use the option. It would go against everything Ashton has said about wanting people here who want to be here |
I would and then not let him be anywhere near the first team, put him on the bench for the U23’s all season and then get some money through compensation. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 19:55]
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:01 - Apr 21 with 1493 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:55 - Apr 21 by Parky |
I would and then not let him be anywhere near the first team, put him on the bench for the U23’s all season and then get some money through compensation. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 19:55]
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To be fair, escalating like that would sort of prove the point that the player’s and the club’s interests aren’t the same.
Simpson is within the organisation and has relationships/discussions on a daily basis. It may well be him not listening at all but that’s academic. If it’s not going to work out then better to ease his way out.
Playing hardball with a young player doesn’t look good. Especially to the young players still here and who know that their professional future is in the balance anyway. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:02 - Apr 21 with 1486 views | jayessess |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 18:47 - Apr 21 by wkj |
I know this wasn't aimed at me, but without going all MakinFiles, I have questioned the validity of having the academy for a while. Whilst we have had players who joined the senior team and got a bit of scratch for moving on, it feels like we get no real ROI on what it costs to run it.
IMHO, when you're in the lower leagues, what you want is for a Madison to come along every so often and fill the coffers, very few players ever seem to end up playing regularly for their senior team for the long term. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 18:54]
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To be fair if the club's first team is good enough to get into and stay in the Championship then Downes is that player. But because we're stuck in L1, he'll be that player for Swansea instead. | |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 20:18 - Apr 21 with 1444 views | LeoMuff |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then (n/t) on 18:09 - Apr 21 by N2_Blue |
Annoyed maybe but definitely not angry.
His attitude stinks and we're better off without players with that mentality anyway.
He's had very little time at Town since Mckenna has walked in the door, nearly every town player has spoken highly of the manager and yet he wants out. See ya then |
The whole saga doesn’t make much sense, if it’s money then we must be offering as good as anything he could reasonably expect for clubs in lg 1 or 2. If he is expecting championship interest then firstly it may not actually materialise, which leave him stuck or secondly could leave his career stagnant ala kundai Benyu in the lower Icelandic leagues.
If he showed anything like the potential skills to score goals in the first team, surely we would be offering a very decent deal, and would a champ side be offering that much more for a 19 year old who’s played 20 first team games. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 20:20]
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:19 - Apr 21 with 1445 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 17:02 - Apr 21 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed. I think there's also an element of him being perceived as a young fringe player by Town and a first-teamer by him and his people following the spell at Swindon (perhaps some similarities with Kieffer Moore after his spell at Rotherham).
From what I gather the contract on offer is more in the former realm than the latter and I assume his representatives believe they can get him more elsewhere and, as you say, that he'll have a clearer pathway to becoming a regular. |
We’d be nuts to give in to demands for a contract reflecting a first team regular. He had a good loan at Swindon, but he’s only just started his journey. The only thing I find strange is why we cut his loan short - that hasn’t benefited anyone. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:31 - Apr 21 with 1416 views | PhilTWTD |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:19 - Apr 21 by Swansea_Blue |
We’d be nuts to give in to demands for a contract reflecting a first team regular. He had a good loan at Swindon, but he’s only just started his journey. The only thing I find strange is why we cut his loan short - that hasn’t benefited anyone. |
I doubt he was anticipating the same money as Norwood, for example, but a bit more in line with a first-teamer than he was offered.
I think the idea was to focus his mind, get the contract signed and let him go back but the negotiation doesn't seem to have come to much. | | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:36 - Apr 21 with 1404 views | Parky |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:01 - Apr 21 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, escalating like that would sort of prove the point that the player’s and the club’s interests aren’t the same.
Simpson is within the organisation and has relationships/discussions on a daily basis. It may well be him not listening at all but that’s academic. If it’s not going to work out then better to ease his way out.
Playing hardball with a young player doesn’t look good. Especially to the young players still here and who know that their professional future is in the balance anyway. |
Would it though? Flip side to that is that it would show youngsters to actually respect clubs that gave them an opportunity in the first place and that if they sign a contract, it’s up to the club whether they want to terminate that early. | | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:54 - Apr 21 with 1371 views | Darth_Koont |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:36 - Apr 21 by Parky |
Would it though? Flip side to that is that it would show youngsters to actually respect clubs that gave them an opportunity in the first place and that if they sign a contract, it’s up to the club whether they want to terminate that early. |
Maybe.
Would be interesting to see the benefits of knuckling down and following team orders vs. standing up for yourself. If you apply that to a normal business then the latter frequently has the better risk/reward.
I suppose it all comes down to the player’s talent and ultimate ceiling. It wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t want to cave in to Simpson’s demands purely because they don’t fully believe he’ll help them get to and stay where they want to be – in the upper reaches of the Championship within a couple of years, maybe even in the Prem in 3 years.
We’ve got to put that ambition on it rather than whether Simpson can be a decent squad player in League One. It’s one of the things people misunderstood about the Rhodes sale. It wasn’t whether he’d be a good Championship player but whether he’d help us get into the Premier the next season and help us when we were there. That was the only context we we were working with. And even as a developed player for other teams that question was largely answered in the negative.
We’re in a similar situation now that we need to be moving forward and up the leagues fairly swiftly. Young potential like Simpson is going to be judged on those terms. | |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:57 - Apr 21 with 1362 views | PhilTWTD |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 19:55 - Apr 21 by LeoMuff |
We will, then we will sell him. |
Indeed, we'll get more money for him having taken the option. | | | |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 20:59 - Apr 21 with 1357 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 15:50 - Apr 21 by clive_baker |
Feck him.
Trigger his contract extension and flog him to the highest bidder. [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 15:51]
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I think this is the likely outcome but let's not forget we were doing the same with Jackson (albeit in different circumstances) this time last year. Who knows? Simpson may still change his mind and have a future here. Does sound like a young man getting some very questionable advice at the moment. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 21:21 - Apr 21 with 1314 views | Radlett_blue |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 15:31 - Apr 21 by jayessess |
Bit of a peculiar episode all round really. Realistically, there's only 2 likely destinations - the U23s of a similar sized club or the first team of a smaller one. Difficult to see how either advances his career (or that he's going to get much of a wage bump after a fee has been paid).
Maybe he's just desperate for a change of scenery?
Either way, not ideal to lose young players like this two Summers in a row. Wonder how competitive our academy wage structure is... |
Not necessarily. A 1st or 2nd tier club might think Simpson has potential, sign him for not very much, offer him a better contract than town & then loan him out to a 3rd or 4th tier club. I can see why Simpson & his agent see that as a better option than him hanging around at the fringes at Town or else loaned out again. |  |
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| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 21:28 - Apr 21 with 1297 views | LeoMuff |
| Looks like Simpson is leaving then on 21:21 - Apr 21 by Radlett_blue |
Not necessarily. A 1st or 2nd tier club might think Simpson has potential, sign him for not very much, offer him a better contract than town & then loan him out to a 3rd or 4th tier club. I can see why Simpson & his agent see that as a better option than him hanging around at the fringes at Town or else loaned out again. |
Are they really going to offer a 19 yo with 20 first team games in lg2 much more than we have offered ? Seems unlikely unless it’s from the prem then you could understand
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