| These reported cases of deaths 21:30 - Apr 12 with 4953 views | pistonbroke |
Tragic as it is , I would be interested to know how many are because of Covid 19 , yes people have died who have the virus but how many have died because of the virus , maybe someone who actually knows like blue badger would be better placed to answer this |  | | |  |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:25 - Apr 12 with 1978 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:12 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid |
I would ask you for your view on the statement made by Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries but i don't want you to struggle too much. |
I think it's a very good statement, it shows that the Depty CMO has a full grasp of the complexities and potential inaccuracies of the statistics and is able to articulate that in a short, concise statement...but it is a statement that doesn't exist in and of itself, you can agree or disagree with it, semantically, however, it is meaningless in terms of shedding light on what is actually happening. |  |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 23:30 - Apr 12 with 1966 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:25 - Apr 12 by Ewan_Oozami |
I think it's a very good statement, it shows that the Depty CMO has a full grasp of the complexities and potential inaccuracies of the statistics and is able to articulate that in a short, concise statement...but it is a statement that doesn't exist in and of itself, you can agree or disagree with it, semantically, however, it is meaningless in terms of shedding light on what is actually happening. |
Thanks for the reply, i think i'll take Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries word over yours, that ok sunbeam? | | | |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:32 - Apr 12 with 1957 views | StokieBlue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:19 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid |
You seem to be struggling with what she actually said.
"THEY WOULD NOT ALL BE A DEATH AS A *RESULT* OF COVID" |
No, I think I covered it fairly precisely and I notice that you've once again decided not to answer the question.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 23:33 - Apr 12 with 1953 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:30 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid |
Thanks for the reply, i think i'll take Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries word over yours, that ok sunbeam? |
Yep, absolutely fine by me ! :-) Remind me again what word of mine is it that you're not taking? | |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 23:35 - Apr 12 with 1948 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:32 - Apr 12 by StokieBlue |
No, I think I covered it fairly precisely and I notice that you've once again decided not to answer the question.
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I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. | | | |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:41 - Apr 12 with 1931 views | StokieBlue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:35 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid |
I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. |
That's not what she's said. She's literally said they are all associated with C19 and you've seized on that to support your perceived point.
Answer the question, I'll even post it again:
Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?
I am struggling to understand your point or angle and you've still not told us after multiple requests from multiple posters across multiple threads. Can you please be specific on what it is?
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| These reported cases of deaths on 23:44 - Apr 12 with 1920 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:41 - Apr 12 by StokieBlue |
That's not what she's said. She's literally said they are all associated with C19 and you've seized on that to support your perceived point.
Answer the question, I'll even post it again:
Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?
I am struggling to understand your point or angle and you've still not told us after multiple requests from multiple posters across multiple threads. Can you please be specific on what it is?
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Yes that's right they are all associated but THEY WOULD NOT ALL BE A DEATH AS A *RESULT* OF COVID.
And that is what she said.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 23:45 - Apr 12 with 1914 views | pistonbroke |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:41 - Apr 12 by StokieBlue |
That's not what she's said. She's literally said they are all associated with C19 and you've seized on that to support your perceived point.
Answer the question, I'll even post it again:
Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?
I am struggling to understand your point or angle and you've still not told us after multiple requests from multiple posters across multiple threads. Can you please be specific on what it is?
SB |
Because the answer is easy , they are not all down to Covid 19 | | | |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:01 - Apr 13 with 1891 views | StokieBlue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:44 - Apr 12 by Bluesquid |
Yes that's right they are all associated but THEY WOULD NOT ALL BE A DEATH AS A *RESULT* OF COVID.
And that is what she said.
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You're wilfully missing my point and you are frankly reading what you want to read.
You've still not answering the question.
I think everyone knows why.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:03 - Apr 13 with 1886 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:01 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
You're wilfully missing my point and you are frankly reading what you want to read.
You've still not answering the question.
I think everyone knows why.
SB |
I have already answered your question, I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. | | | |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:06 - Apr 13 with 1879 views | pistonbroke |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:01 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
You're wilfully missing my point and you are frankly reading what you want to read.
You've still not answering the question.
I think everyone knows why.
SB |
He knows best because he read it in the papers lol | | | |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:22 - Apr 13 with 1860 views | StokieBlue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:03 - Apr 13 by Bluesquid |
I have already answered your question, I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. |
That's not an answer to my question but clearly you're not going to answer it.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:30 - Apr 13 with 1854 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:22 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
That's not an answer to my question but clearly you're not going to answer it.
SB |
You asked me why do i care?
I have already answered you twice and it is for all to see in my previous posts and now i will make it a third time.
I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 0:32]
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:32 - Apr 13 with 1851 views | factual_blue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 22:25 - Apr 12 by jeera |
What's the downvote for?!
I was trying to answer your question.
Ungrateful sod. |
Exegesis of the original post would show some similarities with a now-missing poster.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:35 - Apr 13 with 1848 views | factual_blue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 23:33 - Apr 12 by Ewan_Oozami |
Yep, absolutely fine by me ! :-) Remind me again what word of mine is it that you're not taking? |
Several of your words had a considerable number of syllables. It'll be one of those. | |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:39 - Apr 13 with 1841 views | StokieBlue |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:30 - Apr 13 by Bluesquid |
You asked me why do i care?
I have already answered you twice and it is for all to see in my previous posts and now i will make it a third time.
I care because the Government have told me that not all of the death figure are as a result of Covid. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 0:32]
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It's still not an answer and I asked two questions, twice:
"Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?"
You've not said why you care if it's the direct cause or the associated cause and why it matters.
"I am struggling to understand your point or angle and you've still not told us after multiple requests from multiple posters across multiple threads. Can you please be specific on what it is?"
You've not answered this one at all.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 00:54 - Apr 13 with 1827 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 00:39 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
It's still not an answer and I asked two questions, twice:
"Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?"
You've not said why you care if it's the direct cause or the associated cause and why it matters.
"I am struggling to understand your point or angle and you've still not told us after multiple requests from multiple posters across multiple threads. Can you please be specific on what it is?"
You've not answered this one at all.
SB |
"Why do you care so much if C19 was the direct cause of death or a contributory factor?"
That was the original question that you put to me which i have answered 3 times.
It is of everyone's interest and concern that we have as accurate a picture as possible relating to the correct cause of death and statistics so the authorities can best plan for the coming months.
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| These reported cases of deaths on 06:54 - Apr 13 with 1789 views | BlueBadger |
| These reported cases of deaths on 22:45 - Apr 12 by pistonbroke |
Trouble is the internet is full of crap , that’s why I would rather hear it from some one who actually knows |
There's plenty of reputable sources on the internet, all of which are a lot more reliable than 'some bloke on TWTD'.
Granted, this may require you having to exercise some actual critical thought though. |  |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 07:01 - Apr 13 with 1783 views | Herbivore |
This thread reads like a script for another Dumb and Dumber sequel. Poor Stokie has been double teamed by two divs with half a brain cell between them. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 7:16]
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| These reported cases of deaths on 07:29 - Apr 13 with 1773 views | bluelagos |
| These reported cases of deaths on 07:01 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
This thread reads like a script for another Dumb and Dumber sequel. Poor Stokie has been double teamed by two divs with half a brain cell between them. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 7:16]
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You are being rather generous Herbs. |  |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 07:43 - Apr 13 with 1764 views | Dubtractor |
| These reported cases of deaths on 07:01 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
This thread reads like a script for another Dumb and Dumber sequel. Poor Stokie has been double teamed by two divs with half a brain cell between them. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 7:16]
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The whole thing is bloody mental to be honest.
Over 10,000 (with many more expected) people have died, either directly or indirectly, as a result of CV, and we have some bells on the internet trying to make some spurious point about how this means the virus is less bad.
Because lets be honest, this is what its about isn't it? Trying to show that the virus isn't so bad after all and the UK, along with most of the bloody globe, are overreacting. |  |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 08:01 - Apr 13 with 1758 views | ElephantintheRoom |
There is no answer to this particular question. Deaths being given out are 'recorded deaths' in hospitals. It can take up to 14 days to record a death for all manner of reasons... letting next of kin know, having the manpower to do the recording etc. All 4 countries in the UK operate this mechanism differently and if someone dies after 5pm on a particular day they officially die the next day.
The cause of death will be purely a medical opinion... the difference between 'of' and 'with' cannot be answered. A test which shows you didn't have the disease on monday doesnt mean you cant have caught it 5 mins after comleting the test.
Quite why the government is choosing to ignore deaths in the community is open to interpretation. Cancer patients sent home to die so operating theatres can be kept empty awaiting covid patients... did they die 'because of covid - or because of inadequate UK healthcare? The thousands of people who have died in homes - some of whom were refused entry into hospital - if France can count them you'd think we could.
The key thing is misiniformation... the government is desperate to keep numbes under 1,000 a day and artificially create a plateau that could in theory go on for months. Why? Much better to be honest and state just how many people are actually dying. Even if the numbers are wrong it is better than deliberately lying. | |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 08:53 - Apr 13 with 1733 views | GeoffSentence |
It is difficult to tell. There are so many variables, including the 'natural' death rate which can fluctuate a lot year by year anyway, and the lockdown itslef might be affectiing the pattern of deaths in different ways, fewer traffic accidents for instance and maybe reductions from other infectious diseases that might also be lowered by the lockdown.
The best information I have seen on this was from a retired epidemiologist on BBC news channel. He made some pertinent points:
1. Co-morbidity is always difficult to count, there are always people who die with multiple conditions and you can't be sure if a single one was the cause of death.
2. If covid is on the death certificate it will be recorded as a covid death, regardless of whether there are any other conditions.
3. Since March 20th the UK death rate has been higher than the five year rolling average.
4. Longer term trends need to be monitored as well, in many cases deaths will happen a few weeks earlier than otherwise, and with bad flu years, for instance, it is typical to see higher death rates in flu season, followed by lower death rates afterwards.
None of that helps though, except to confirm that it is really fvcking difficult to know who has been killed by what. |  |
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| These reported cases of deaths on 09:35 - Apr 13 with 1723 views | Bluesquid |
| These reported cases of deaths on 07:01 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
This thread reads like a script for another Dumb and Dumber sequel. Poor Stokie has been double teamed by two divs with half a brain cell between them. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 7:16]
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And along comes 'Sir Keir' Herbi with his 'intelligent' use of name calling.
'Of the working class'. | | | |
| These reported cases of deaths on 10:02 - Apr 13 with 1710 views | Herbivore |
| These reported cases of deaths on 09:35 - Apr 13 by Bluesquid |
And along comes 'Sir Keir' Herbi with his 'intelligent' use of name calling.
'Of the working class'. |
I was crediting you with the half a brain cell, but after that garbled mess of a post I think I overestimated you. | |
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