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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven 16:40 - Nov 22 with 3053 viewsgtsb1966

but no drinks served after 10pm. I'm assuming this is the government's solution to stop everyone leaving at once. So at 9.55pm.." can I have three pints please".
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:18 - Nov 22 with 601 views26_Paz

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 18:56 - Nov 22 by pistonbroke

But why does it make a difference , once again if I am allowed to mix with 90 odd households at work to bring in money for the government , then why should I not be allowed to have my 3 kids over from different households


He can’t answer this without some kind of idea about what it is you do

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:25 - Nov 22 with 592 viewsm14_blue

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 17:55 - Nov 22 by SpruceMoose

My lord, imagine the carnage I the supermarkets if people were told to stock up on supplies for three weeks.

People have shown they won't stick to the rules anyway. You'd have to bring in some pretty severe sanctions for anyone breaking the rules for any serious lockdown to work.
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I don’t think that’s entirely fair. The first lockdown was remarkably well observed until the message became increasingly muddled, “stay alert” etc.

I’m not saying the suggestion above is practical but the idea that people inevitably can’t be trusted to follow any rules is one perpetuated by government apologists to excuse their shambolic handling of the pandemic.
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:36 - Nov 22 with 569 viewsvapour_trail

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 17:14 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue

You don't think two vaccines with a 95% efficacy rate and another load of vaccines on the horizon is good news?

Being allowed in the pub and extra hour is pointless news, especially as it provides only a small amount of extra revenue as they have to stop selling at 10pm.

SB
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People will stock up in the fifteen minutes prior to last orders if they have an additional hour drinking up time, so I’d imagine the difference to revenue will be significant.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:49 - Nov 22 with 555 viewsgtsb1966

Some interesting comments and may I add that in my opinion that since the announcement that companies have produced a viable vaccine I think there are many people who don't care anymore and are just waiting for the vaccine. The whole mindset of some people has changed
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:56 - Nov 22 with 534 viewsSpruceMoose

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:25 - Nov 22 by m14_blue

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. The first lockdown was remarkably well observed until the message became increasingly muddled, “stay alert” etc.

I’m not saying the suggestion above is practical but the idea that people inevitably can’t be trusted to follow any rules is one perpetuated by government apologists to excuse their shambolic handling of the pandemic.


You've made me chuckle by suggesting I have something in common with government apologists!

My stance has been consistent. I've always maintained that quite a few people are quite happy to follow government advice (no matter how moronic and confusing it is) so long as it backs up what they intended to do anyways. It's a different story when they are given guidance and it is contrary to what they want to do though.

Maybe in the early days of the pandemic people were more inclined to stay at home because it was new/they were frightened/everybody else was doing it/they weren't bored of it yet. The longer this has gone on though the more people have taken liberties.

Nobody will ever convince me that a foreign holiday this year was anything other than selfish and idiotic, despite the government saying it was ok. To me, it's a great example of how some people have been more than eager to offload their own personal responsibility onto a government that has consistently been proven to be inept, hypocritical and contemptuous of the public.
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:49 - Nov 22 by gtsb1966

Some interesting comments and may I add that in my opinion that since the announcement that companies have produced a viable vaccine I think there are many people who don't care anymore and are just waiting for the vaccine. The whole mindset of some people has changed


That is to be expected I think. On the flip, I also know of a family who’ve withdrawn their kids from school as they don’t want to risk picking up the virus with the vaccine getting closer, so they’re bunkering down, which I also find bizarre.

Vaccine or not, we will have the virus with us for years, hopefully politicians can find a good balance to allow a level of protection for the vulnerable coupled with more opening up. Personally, I’m more and more worried about the longer term impact of all this on our kids, people more generally and the economy.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:49 - Nov 22 by gtsb1966

Some interesting comments and may I add that in my opinion that since the announcement that companies have produced a viable vaccine I think there are many people who don't care anymore and are just waiting for the vaccine. The whole mindset of some people has changed


Obviously I don't have direct experience of what's going on in the UK but that's certainly seemed to be the case here.

Some people I know are acting like this is all over. I just keep thinking, imagine killing grandma within a few months of her potentially being able to have a vaccine because you wanted to watch her eat turkey this Thursday.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:59 - Nov 22 by SpruceMoose

Obviously I don't have direct experience of what's going on in the UK but that's certainly seemed to be the case here.

Some people I know are acting like this is all over. I just keep thinking, imagine killing grandma within a few months of her potentially being able to have a vaccine because you wanted to watch her eat turkey this Thursday.


Grandma won’t be safe in a few months.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:00 - Nov 22 with 521 viewsStokieBlue

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 18:56 - Nov 22 by pistonbroke

But why does it make a difference , once again if I am allowed to mix with 90 odd households at work to bring in money for the government , then why should I not be allowed to have my 3 kids over from different households


I don't think you've read my post or you've not taken it in.

Furthermore why would you want to possibly take the virus into their households if you are mixing with as many people as you claim? Isn't that an incredibly bad idea? Shouldn't you be avoiding them to insure they don't get it?

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:02 - Nov 22 with 514 viewsSpruceMoose

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:00 - Nov 22 by vapour_trail

Grandma won’t be safe in a few months.


Define a few months? If she's able to access a vaccine 12 months from now wouldn't it be preferable to skip some ridiculous get together now in order to not put her at risk?

Edit - I understand what you're saying, I see your point about the long term impacts here. I have been open to admitting I have a very fixed and stern view on this because things have been so horrendous here this year, more so than the people I've spoken to back in Ipswich can appreciate.

As a result I'm more concerned about the here and now than the future. If there are going to be viable vaccines available over the next year, I want to make sure as many as my family, friends and neighbours are around to take advantage of it.
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:06 - Nov 22 with 507 viewsStokieBlue

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:57 - Nov 22 by vapour_trail

That is to be expected I think. On the flip, I also know of a family who’ve withdrawn their kids from school as they don’t want to risk picking up the virus with the vaccine getting closer, so they’re bunkering down, which I also find bizarre.

Vaccine or not, we will have the virus with us for years, hopefully politicians can find a good balance to allow a level of protection for the vulnerable coupled with more opening up. Personally, I’m more and more worried about the longer term impact of all this on our kids, people more generally and the economy.


Why do you think we will have the virus with us for a good few years?

I guess technically it will be with us forever but they are going to be vaccinating people pretty soon and with every vaccination the potential number of carriers decreases.

I am pretty hopeful that everyone who wants a vaccine will have got one by the autumn of next year. Of course we don't know how long it will last but once production ramps up that shouldn't be a huge issue. If we are lucky and the Oxford vaccine is also effective that is also easier to produce.

SB

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:08 - Nov 22 with 504 viewsStokieBlue

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:36 - Nov 22 by vapour_trail

People will stock up in the fifteen minutes prior to last orders if they have an additional hour drinking up time, so I’d imagine the difference to revenue will be significant.


Some will of course do this but hopefully there are a number of sensible people out there who will get the extra pint and then use the time to stagger their exits from the pub. Of course a few will line up 4 pints but even then I am not sure it's going to be a massive change in revenue.

I guess we will see in a few months time. I'm not really expecting people to be allowed inside pubs for a while anyway so depends how much people can brave the cold.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 19:49 - Nov 22 by gtsb1966

Some interesting comments and may I add that in my opinion that since the announcement that companies have produced a viable vaccine I think there are many people who don't care anymore and are just waiting for the vaccine. The whole mindset of some people has changed


Well, I'm happy for those people to do as they please, as that means there'll be more vaccine to go round for the rest of us.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:06 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue

Why do you think we will have the virus with us for a good few years?

I guess technically it will be with us forever but they are going to be vaccinating people pretty soon and with every vaccination the potential number of carriers decreases.

I am pretty hopeful that everyone who wants a vaccine will have got one by the autumn of next year. Of course we don't know how long it will last but once production ramps up that shouldn't be a huge issue. If we are lucky and the Oxford vaccine is also effective that is also easier to produce.

SB


This is it. It's a (relatively) short-term pain for all of us to protect the most vulnerable. Might I remind people that national treasure Captain Tom is someone some would be willing to sacrifice in the name of pubs and football.

I'm sorry, but the economic costs at this point are academic; every country in the world is more or less playing catch up. And ironically, the ones that locked down hardest and earliest will be the ones most likely to bounce back faster.

This government, and from my observation people in general, have been more or less happy to stick at half measures, with people indulging in whatever whim excuses them for this or that. It's totally irresponsible and is proof positive that the British public tend to be extremely selfish and single-minded.

It could have been one, two or three collective attempts at self-restraint to help the NHS and the most vulnerable in our communities to get us back to normal. Instead we have this. The government must be held to account, but people have been just as bad. And that goes treble for the deniers and conspiracists.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:28 - Nov 22 with 463 viewsSpruceMoose

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This is it. It's a (relatively) short-term pain for all of us to protect the most vulnerable. Might I remind people that national treasure Captain Tom is someone some would be willing to sacrifice in the name of pubs and football.

I'm sorry, but the economic costs at this point are academic; every country in the world is more or less playing catch up. And ironically, the ones that locked down hardest and earliest will be the ones most likely to bounce back faster.

This government, and from my observation people in general, have been more or less happy to stick at half measures, with people indulging in whatever whim excuses them for this or that. It's totally irresponsible and is proof positive that the British public tend to be extremely selfish and single-minded.

It could have been one, two or three collective attempts at self-restraint to help the NHS and the most vulnerable in our communities to get us back to normal. Instead we have this. The government must be held to account, but people have been just as bad. And that goes treble for the deniers and conspiracists.


"This government, and from my observation people in general, have been more or less happy to stick at half measures, with people indulging in whatever whim excuses them for this or that."

Everyone has an excuse as to why they are the exception to the rule.

The important thing is to keep clapping every night though.
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:29 - Nov 22 with 460 viewsWD19

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:00 - Nov 22 by vapour_trail

Grandma won’t be safe in a few months.


Grandma will be vaccinated before the end of Q1.

But kill her if you like. Won’t do the pension crisis any harm.
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:31 - Nov 22 with 454 viewsPhilTWTD

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:25 - Nov 22 by factual_blue

Well, I'm happy for those people to do as they please, as that means there'll be more vaccine to go round for the rest of us.


"Pint of vaccine please landlord!"
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:32 - Nov 22 with 450 viewsSpruceMoose

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:31 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD

"Pint of vaccine please landlord!"


"That'll be $32,546.89 please" - any landlord in the US.

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"Pint of vaccine please landlord!"


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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:34 - Nov 22 with 446 viewsPhilTWTD

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:32 - Nov 22 by SpruceMoose

"That'll be $32,546.89 please" - any landlord in the US.


Similar to London prices, eh?
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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:37 - Nov 22 with 442 viewsfactual_blue

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:34 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD

Similar to London prices, eh?


4-5 years ago, an increased car park charge in Bury St. Edmund's' to £2.30 for a day was described in a letter from an outraged local to the Bury Free Press as 'London Prices'.
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This is it. It's a (relatively) short-term pain for all of us to protect the most vulnerable. Might I remind people that national treasure Captain Tom is someone some would be willing to sacrifice in the name of pubs and football.

I'm sorry, but the economic costs at this point are academic; every country in the world is more or less playing catch up. And ironically, the ones that locked down hardest and earliest will be the ones most likely to bounce back faster.

This government, and from my observation people in general, have been more or less happy to stick at half measures, with people indulging in whatever whim excuses them for this or that. It's totally irresponsible and is proof positive that the British public tend to be extremely selfish and single-minded.

It could have been one, two or three collective attempts at self-restraint to help the NHS and the most vulnerable in our communities to get us back to normal. Instead we have this. The government must be held to account, but people have been just as bad. And that goes treble for the deniers and conspiracists.


Why are economic costs academic?

They will impact the most vulnerable sections of society. They will result in awful adversity for plenty of people. Plenty of us might be immune and well protected, but as with austerity, this will result in premature death for a lot of poor people and people from BAME communities.

I don’t understand why so many of you are so comfortable with this. We have a tory government, they’re not going to look after these people.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 20:41 - Nov 22 by vapour_trail

Why are economic costs academic?

They will impact the most vulnerable sections of society. They will result in awful adversity for plenty of people. Plenty of us might be immune and well protected, but as with austerity, this will result in premature death for a lot of poor people and people from BAME communities.

I don’t understand why so many of you are so comfortable with this. We have a tory government, they’re not going to look after these people.


I understand your point, but then again it all boils down to having a Tory government.

We should have been protecting all kinds of people economically, but that was never going to happen with them in charge. But it's this obsession with money that exacerbates a medical issue.

I'm not comfortable with elderly and vulnerable people dying either. But I don't think that should be pitted against the harm the government has done/can do/will to do the poor and BAME communities either.

I don't want to trade off my respect for others' wellbeing against others. If you're saying this is the choice they're making you make, then yeah, probably. Which should say it all.

We've got some vaccines now, great. So there should be a clear plan forward. But I doubt it.

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I understand your point, but then again it all boils down to having a Tory government.

We should have been protecting all kinds of people economically, but that was never going to happen with them in charge. But it's this obsession with money that exacerbates a medical issue.

I'm not comfortable with elderly and vulnerable people dying either. But I don't think that should be pitted against the harm the government has done/can do/will to do the poor and BAME communities either.

I don't want to trade off my respect for others' wellbeing against others. If you're saying this is the choice they're making you make, then yeah, probably. Which should say it all.

We've got some vaccines now, great. So there should be a clear plan forward. But I doubt it.


The 70 tory rebels have asked for a cost benefit analysis. This is exactly what’s required. It won’t be on the button but it requires judgment calls on likely scenarios.

They’re mostly libertarians, which I hold no truck with, but I make them correct on how the government should be approaching this. It’s not all about covid. There are other negative outcomes to consider from locking down and restricting movement.

You have to find the least worst option.

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Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 21:02 - Nov 22 with 368 viewsSeablu

Pubs are going to be allowed to open until eleven on 17:31 - Nov 22 by SpruceMoose

I've decided to leave you alone. My attempts to remind you to care about other people have failed and dealing with your extensive levels of cretinry is just exhausting.


You’ve battled valiantly over the last few months so I’ll run with this one.

I was also a self absorbed, self centred & frankly selfish arse when I was in my late teens & early 20’s.

Once Paz grows up, leaves home and realises that life isn’t all about self gratification, getting pissed with your mate & having 10 days on the lash in Crete, he’ll most likely turn into a decent & thoughtful individual.

Until then, a gentle chastisement and some sensible guidance is probably the best anyone can do.
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