| Is it just me? 19:51 - Jun 10 with 9363 views | SpruceMoose |
Or does anyone else find the thought of Boris Johnson being our PM, something we can never erase from our history books, utterly and thoroughly depressing?
I mean, ffs, what's the point of anything if that sh!tstain is our representative?
Britain's fall to complete laughing stock will be complete should this come to pass. |  |
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| Is it just me? on 16:01 - Jun 11 with 397 views | itfcjoe |
| Is it just me? on 15:44 - Jun 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
This sums up a lot of my thoughts - was very much a remainer but the door has very much been opened and we’re too far down the tracks to stop now, IMO
I don’t agree that it has to be full Brexit however I do think we should be currently putting our eggs in the basket of no deal and preparing for that eventuality. Not because it’s the best outcome (clearly it isn’t) however it does at least mean we have a plan if forced to go down that road, and will strengthen our negotiating position with the EU - and probably should have been our approach from the start |
The problem is the Brexiteers have massively overplayed their hand, May's deal was a lot 'Harder' a Brexit than was being spoken about by the key figures in the Leave campaign.
Nothing but a No Deal Brexit will satisfy them now - realistically it is probably already at the stage where it will need to be a No Deal Brexit, or to Remain - there is no Middle Ground anymore.
Personally I'd upset the Leavers rather than the Remainers because that is best for the country at this moment in time |  |
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| Is it just me? on 16:05 - Jun 11 with 389 views | gordon |
| Is it just me? on 16:01 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem is the Brexiteers have massively overplayed their hand, May's deal was a lot 'Harder' a Brexit than was being spoken about by the key figures in the Leave campaign.
Nothing but a No Deal Brexit will satisfy them now - realistically it is probably already at the stage where it will need to be a No Deal Brexit, or to Remain - there is no Middle Ground anymore.
Personally I'd upset the Leavers rather than the Remainers because that is best for the country at this moment in time |
The lies that are being told are just going more or less unchallenged by the media - for one example Raab was saying that the possibility of no-deal was scaremongering and part of project fear in the referendum campaign. Now he says it's what people voted for - it's breathtaking. |  | | |
| Is it just me? on 16:13 - Jun 11 with 370 views | itfcjoe |
| Is it just me? on 16:05 - Jun 11 by gordon |
The lies that are being told are just going more or less unchallenged by the media - for one example Raab was saying that the possibility of no-deal was scaremongering and part of project fear in the referendum campaign. Now he says it's what people voted for - it's breathtaking. |
It's incredible, people can literally be shown videos of these lies being told and still dismiss it.
Why is there not an ethics committee for abuse of position in public office? How can Boris Johnson claim not to have mentioned Turkey during referendum campaign when there is video evidence of it?
This 'fake news' populism will be looked back upon in a few decades by history students and no one will believe how stupid we are - feels like we are living through a monumental moment in history and it's so obvious what is being done but it can't be stopped.
We need the Queen to step up and save us! | |
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| Is it just me? on 16:23 - Jun 11 with 355 views | Steve_M |
| Is it just me? on 16:01 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem is the Brexiteers have massively overplayed their hand, May's deal was a lot 'Harder' a Brexit than was being spoken about by the key figures in the Leave campaign.
Nothing but a No Deal Brexit will satisfy them now - realistically it is probably already at the stage where it will need to be a No Deal Brexit, or to Remain - there is no Middle Ground anymore.
Personally I'd upset the Leavers rather than the Remainers because that is best for the country at this moment in time |
And if this all ends in a No Deal Brexit then the likelihood of those advocating it taking responsibility for it is infinitesimal. It will be everyone else's fault because there is no way of satisfying people who expect unicorns. |  |
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| Is it just me? on 16:24 - Jun 11 with 352 views | jimmyvet |
| Is it just me? on 08:39 - Jun 11 by BlueBadger |
The whole thing is a 'Keane Vs Hurst' question. There's some superficial fine margins to be had, but in reality it's like asking if you'd rather treading a dog turd with your left foot or your right. |
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| Is it just me? on 16:31 - Jun 11 with 333 views | SpruceMoose |
Ah I see. I guess the manifest lets me down. Got anything more recent that two years ago though?
Anyway, how's life? You mentioned a new project the other day? What's that? New business? | |
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| Is it just me? on 16:38 - Jun 11 with 307 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it just me? on 16:00 - Jun 11 by gordon |
No-deal would put us in a the weakest negotiating position of any country in the world - we'll have a few skeletal existing trade arrangements, and we'll need to do deals as quickly as possible for political reasons and to protect domestic businesses. We will be forced to make invidious trade-offs between different sector of the UK economy, and our politicians will have to dress it all up as something positive.
However, it's probably necessary now - people need to realise how ridiculous and vacuous the promises that were made are, and this is the only way, in my opinion. |
By taking no deal off the table we completely decimated any negotiating position with the EU - they can simply sit on their offer of a deal safe in the knowledge our only options are to take it or remain. If we were seriously preparing for no deal then there would be much more impetus to negotiate - as it will benefit the EU too to have a deal |  |
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| Is it just me? on 16:39 - Jun 11 with 306 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it just me? on 16:31 - Jun 11 by SpruceMoose |
Ah I see. I guess the manifest lets me down. Got anything more recent that two years ago though?
Anyway, how's life? You mentioned a new project the other day? What's that? New business? |
Nope. That's their most recent manifesto.
I'm a busy boy at the moment thanks. New business taking every waking hour of my time so am Just popping in on here whilst taking a fifteen minute break.
How'S life in the USA? My sixteen year old daughters have a school trip to Washington and New York in two weeks time. |  |
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| Is it just me? on 16:40 - Jun 11 with 298 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it just me? on 16:01 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem is the Brexiteers have massively overplayed their hand, May's deal was a lot 'Harder' a Brexit than was being spoken about by the key figures in the Leave campaign.
Nothing but a No Deal Brexit will satisfy them now - realistically it is probably already at the stage where it will need to be a No Deal Brexit, or to Remain - there is no Middle Ground anymore.
Personally I'd upset the Leavers rather than the Remainers because that is best for the country at this moment in time |
Some will be upset but a deal that sees most of the key points (and crucially freedom of movement) will ultimately be accepted - I don’t buy that it’s simply no deal or remain, although it doesn’t look like there are much other options from the position May has negotiated us into
I’m not sure on your final paragraph either - as Gordon has alluded I think the consequences of not leaving could be much more far reaching than just risking some economic fallout | |
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| Is it just me? on 16:42 - Jun 11 with 290 views | jimmyvet |
| Is it just me? on 15:27 - Jun 11 by footers |
Admire your determination, Joe, but I'm just tired of it now, as you can probably tell. Politically we're now in the hands of a Tory Brexiteer and I fear the worst is going to happen with no chance to change course. |
Footers we are all fed up with it. The parliament has had 3 years to deal with it and have not.
I know who you will blame and I tend to agree with you but that aside they all voted to trigger Brexit as MPs and haven’t. So as a remainer now I think we should have no deal firmly on the table because unless it is, the commons will have no incentive at all to deliver a deal and we must and move on.
Just my opinion of course. | | | |
| Is it just me? on 16:45 - Jun 11 with 282 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it just me? on 16:05 - Jun 11 by gordon |
The lies that are being told are just going more or less unchallenged by the media - for one example Raab was saying that the possibility of no-deal was scaremongering and part of project fear in the referendum campaign. Now he says it's what people voted for - it's breathtaking. |
Indeed. As bad as our politicians are, they've been enabled by our media that is either far too passive or rabidly agenda-driven. A media worthy of the name should be all over this and other crap surrounding Brexit.
It's an utter mess. |  | | |
| Is it just me? on 16:48 - Jun 11 with 274 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it just me? on 16:40 - Jun 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Some will be upset but a deal that sees most of the key points (and crucially freedom of movement) will ultimately be accepted - I don’t buy that it’s simply no deal or remain, although it doesn’t look like there are much other options from the position May has negotiated us into
I’m not sure on your final paragraph either - as Gordon has alluded I think the consequences of not leaving could be much more far reaching than just risking some economic fallout |
Who cares? They'll find another way to feck up the country because they don't want facts and ultimately they don't care about anything much except their own feelings and opinions.
Feck 'em. It's time to develop some British backbone and principles and do what is really right. | | | |
| Is it just me? on 16:51 - Jun 11 with 261 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it just me? on 16:39 - Jun 11 by footers |
Wow. One meeting at conference on Palestine. That's me convinced.
Of course not being a member of a party anymore means you can just snipe rather than make any positive cases for anything. That must be easy. |
what part of "put Palestine ahead of Brexit and the NHS in their choice of issues to be discussed" did you struggle to understand? | |
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| Is it just me? on 16:56 - Jun 11 with 241 views | footers |
| Is it just me? on 16:51 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
what part of "put Palestine ahead of Brexit and the NHS in their choice of issues to be discussed" did you struggle to understand? |
Oh dear, GB- calm down! Maybe it was a special event on Palestine when Brexit and the NHS are day-to-day issues which are regularly discussed?
Oh no, hang about, changed my mind. It's a damascene conversion! The mendacious power-brokers of the Labour party are secretly in league with the fedayeen and plan to sell our NHS down the river. Should've spotted that one. |  |
| "Man up you floppy armed fig. Footers is actually talking a lot of sense here." |
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| Is it just me? on 16:59 - Jun 11 with 232 views | Steve_M |
| Is it just me? on 16:38 - Jun 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
By taking no deal off the table we completely decimated any negotiating position with the EU - they can simply sit on their offer of a deal safe in the knowledge our only options are to take it or remain. If we were seriously preparing for no deal then there would be much more impetus to negotiate - as it will benefit the EU too to have a deal |
How is an end result that leaves the UK in a far worse position than the rest of the EU a negotiating advantage? Yes, No Deal is bad for the EU but it would be far worse for the UK. | |
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| Is it just me? on 17:01 - Jun 11 with 221 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is it just me? on 16:48 - Jun 11 by Darth_Koont |
Who cares? They'll find another way to feck up the country because they don't want facts and ultimately they don't care about anything much except their own feelings and opinions.
Feck 'em. It's time to develop some British backbone and principles and do what is really right. |
Not sure which bit your responding to
If it’s the first bit I agree - perhaps wasn’t clear but if we do end up doing a deal then those that won’t be happy with it will ultimately end up having to accept it
If it’s the second bit, then I think the possible consequences really do have to be considered, I’m afraid | |
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| Is it just me? on 17:04 - Jun 11 with 211 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it just me? on 16:39 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Nope. That's their most recent manifesto.
I'm a busy boy at the moment thanks. New business taking every waking hour of my time so am Just popping in on here whilst taking a fifteen minute break.
How'S life in the USA? My sixteen year old daughters have a school trip to Washington and New York in two weeks time. |
Things are good thanks. Other than a helicopter landing on a nearby building yesterday. Weather is heating up, bracing for three months of disgusting humidity where the city smells like hot piss and rubbish. Should be warmed up nicely for your daughters trip!
What kind of stuff will their school have them doing over here? If they are the museum types (are any 16 year olds? I don't know any) then there are a couple of excellent shows on at the moment.
What kind of area is your business operating in, if you don't mind revealing that? [Post edited 11 Jun 17:04]
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| Is it just me? on 17:05 - Jun 11 with 209 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it just me? on 16:51 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
what part of "put Palestine ahead of Brexit and the NHS in their choice of issues to be discussed" did you struggle to understand? |
http://labourconference.org/#timetable.html
No mention of Palestine on the planned timetable. Brexit and Healthcare were already on there so maybe you got confused about the choice to add in Palestine as an extra? | | | |
| Is it just me? on 17:05 - Jun 11 with 208 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it just me? on 16:56 - Jun 11 by footers |
Oh dear, GB- calm down! Maybe it was a special event on Palestine when Brexit and the NHS are day-to-day issues which are regularly discussed?
Oh no, hang about, changed my mind. It's a damascene conversion! The mendacious power-brokers of the Labour party are secretly in league with the fedayeen and plan to sell our NHS down the river. Should've spotted that one. |
what gives you the impression that I am anything but calm?
Joe's original post was about people's perception of Labour under Corbyn. If you don't believe that putting Palestine above the NHS and Brexit as a topic for discussion at the conference of the party who are supposed to be the government in waiting, gives the impression to disillusioned northern working class voters that Labour cares more about the middle east than it does about the north east then you are a symptom of how out of touch London Labour are with the rest of the country.
Good! If enough people in Labour think like you then Bolsover, Hartlepool etc are lost and Corbyn won't ever reside in 10 Downing Street. | |
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| Is it just me? on 17:06 - Jun 11 with 206 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is it just me? on 17:04 - Jun 11 by SpruceMoose |
Things are good thanks. Other than a helicopter landing on a nearby building yesterday. Weather is heating up, bracing for three months of disgusting humidity where the city smells like hot piss and rubbish. Should be warmed up nicely for your daughters trip!
What kind of stuff will their school have them doing over here? If they are the museum types (are any 16 year olds? I don't know any) then there are a couple of excellent shows on at the moment.
What kind of area is your business operating in, if you don't mind revealing that? [Post edited 11 Jun 17:04]
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I'm going away from the keyboard for a while. I'll drop you a pm later or tomorrow. | |
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| Is it just me? on 17:06 - Jun 11 with 203 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is it just me? on 16:42 - Jun 11 by jimmyvet |
Footers we are all fed up with it. The parliament has had 3 years to deal with it and have not.
I know who you will blame and I tend to agree with you but that aside they all voted to trigger Brexit as MPs and haven’t. So as a remainer now I think we should have no deal firmly on the table because unless it is, the commons will have no incentive at all to deliver a deal and we must and move on.
Just my opinion of course. |
Whenever I read posts like this I can't help but suspect that the poster wasn't ever a Remainer. The Remain world view and the No Deal Brexit world view are so far apart as to be incompatible IMO. | |
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