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Should we have purchased Camara? 16:38 - Dec 22 with 6515 viewsFrimleyBlue

Didn't know he'd already had surgery twice on the same area and now a third...


Quite surprising we spent funds on a player with quite an obvious problem area.

I kinda would understand the risk if it was a free agent but didn't we buy him for 5-700k?

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 22:48 - Dec 22 with 1829 viewsBloomBlue

Maybe they need to add in another column in that fancy player statistic/analytical application thingy the recruitment team use. ..injured Yes/No ?
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 00:58 - Dec 23 with 1742 viewsBigCommon

Given all the circumstances at the time of signing. Then its a yes from me..

Nightmare for the lad. Moves to a new club and hardly kicks a ball for a season. Wish him well. And hope to see him recovered as soon as possible.
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 05:57 - Dec 23 with 1695 viewsKropotkin123

No, I don't think we should have.

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 06:30 - Dec 23 with 1683 viewsElephantintheRoom

Of course it was idiotic The manner of his departure from Plymouth raised serious questions about his character and his injury is clearly career threatening. Then there is the small matter of where he would fit in the team. Being charitable, it was a gamble - and it’s only borrowed money. What could possibly go wrong

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 07:11 - Dec 23 with 1636 viewsibbleobble

Should we have purchased Camara? on 21:16 - Dec 22 by ITFC1977

I think how much he’s played in the last 5 years, is a good indication as to how injury prone he is( obviously I looked on Wikipedia to get them details, perhaps you should have). Your ankle and hamstring claims, I don’t know the extent of them, although they have no baring on his time here, and hasn’t affected his game time over the last 5 years so couldn’t have been too substantial.

It was a risk, hasn’t paid off so far, we’ve took one of our main rivals best players ( Plymouth forums were gutted he left) and we’re still second. But if you want to blame the “ recruitment network “ and you think that makes sense, no worries


He got a two-year deal and we have an option of a third. Given he’ll unlikely play much this season now, that’s 50% of his contracted time here spent without much return. For half a million quid, that’s a poor investment.

You may not like to hear it but the reality is, it’s a bad investment so far - bad economics.
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 07:43 - Dec 23 with 1612 viewsBrockleyBlue78

Argyle Fan in Peace (Camara) by PAFCSurrey 19 Dec 2022 13:54
hi guys,

Really looking forward to my first visit to P.R in January, should be a decent game if we're both still in the same/similar positions come mid Jan. I am more muted about our prospects over the last 6 games, before that I was really quite confident of autos. Now.....not so much

Anyway, wanted to ask on how our old boy Panutche and what the current verdict is on him? He doesnt seem to be playing much? Still injured whats the view from your side on him.

Cheers,



Thought it was interesting reading the Plymouth fan’s comments.

They specifically asked about Camara given his rare qualities when fit. Buying a quality player from a rival seems like a decent move no?

They also mention they’ve signed two players that haven’t really played due to injury - almost like this sort of thing happens at other clubs, not just ours… who would have thought hey, professional athletes getting injured and the diagnosis / treatment / rehab is not black and white.

A bigger observation here for me has been squad size. All for tight, lean, focused squads (especially compared to the bloated ones we’ve created full of journeymen and hanger ons in recent years) though have we been too light this season? Maybe 2-4 players extra in the squad going forward? Or has the last 6-8 weeks been a real one-off freak episode?
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 09:43 - Dec 23 with 1538 viewsringwoodblue

If he’s not going to be able to play much if at all this season, should we de-register him in Jan the same as Dom Ball so that we can bring another player in who can make a meaningful contribution?

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 09:52 - Dec 23 with 1530 viewsWallingford_Boy

£700k is nothing, we are loaded.

RIP Sir Bobby

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 09:59 - Dec 23 with 1487 viewsSwansea_Blue

Yes. I'm not sure where he's up to now with recovery, but looks a quality player. If he can come back and contribute in the second half have* the season then he could still play a valuable role yet.


*Am I doing the have/of thing right?

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 10:56 - Dec 23 with 1456 viewspafcprogs

So as Argyle fans we were gutted when Pan decided to move on.

He has an energy and athleticism that is hard to find ...his running stats are Premier League off the chart.

He plays with emotion , but lacks a great final pass/shot...when it comes off it looks fan but it is his weak spot and why hi e=was playing league 2 when we signed him. I have no doubt a great coach like a Schumacher or McKenna will bring that extra moment of calm and seeing the right pass.

So as we were losing him the money was top end of what we expected .....that we were losing him to a close rival ( although at the time of sale I am not sure we thought of ourselves as that to the extent it has transpired) was not great.....so given had we signed him we would have not had him from the whole season the deal has worked out as well as it could for us...mobney to spend and we haven't strengthened you for this season.

What I will say is when fit he could be a Rolls Royce in moidfl=ield for you....he takes you up the pitch quickly and he recovers well.....he makes challenges no-one expects ho. to get back for...

So enjoy him when he is fit.....he is worth the wait.....
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:34 - Dec 23 with 1388 viewsitfcjoe

Should we have purchased Camara? on 16:46 - Dec 22 by J2BLUE

We have a top medical team. He will have been fully assessed. It's just unfortunate. To think we could have somehow seen this coming isn't really fair.


Was he thought? Because he said he didn’t find out about the move until deadline day then had to rush up here - can you conduct a thorough medical on an injured player in that timescale?

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:47 - Dec 23 with 1361 viewsRadlett_blue

Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:34 - Dec 23 by itfcjoe

Was he thought? Because he said he didn’t find out about the move until deadline day then had to rush up here - can you conduct a thorough medical on an injured player in that timescale?


Exactly. This seemed a rushed deal & I suspect Plymouth felt they should cash in on a player who wouldn't be fit to play for a while & was going to be out of contract at the end of the season. Hence £500k seemed an attractive price to Town, although we were gambling on his fitness. 3 groin operations in 6 months doesn't sound good!

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:49 - Dec 23 with 1343 viewsBobbychase

Yes. Injury stuff is frustrating but I think from what Plymouth fans have told me, he is more than good enough to play in the Championship, and that's where we want to be/are hopefully headed.

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:57 - Dec 23 with 1336 viewsWallingford_Boy

Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:47 - Dec 23 by Radlett_blue

Exactly. This seemed a rushed deal & I suspect Plymouth felt they should cash in on a player who wouldn't be fit to play for a while & was going to be out of contract at the end of the season. Hence £500k seemed an attractive price to Town, although we were gambling on his fitness. 3 groin operations in 6 months doesn't sound good!


£500k?!

Pah!

We are spending £15m on Taylor next week!

RIP Sir Bobby

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:58 - Dec 23 with 1329 viewsitfcjoe

Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:47 - Dec 23 by Radlett_blue

Exactly. This seemed a rushed deal & I suspect Plymouth felt they should cash in on a player who wouldn't be fit to play for a while & was going to be out of contract at the end of the season. Hence £500k seemed an attractive price to Town, although we were gambling on his fitness. 3 groin operations in 6 months doesn't sound good!


Someone, and I can’t remember who so may not be reliable, told me fee was nothing like that up front and most of it is based on us going up

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 12:18 - Dec 23 with 1267 viewshype313

Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:34 - Dec 23 by itfcjoe

Was he thought? Because he said he didn’t find out about the move until deadline day then had to rush up here - can you conduct a thorough medical on an injured player in that timescale?


Indeed, it was rushed through in the hope it was more a niggle than anything else.

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 12:38 - Dec 23 with 1239 viewsBigCommon

Should we have purchased Camara? on 11:47 - Dec 23 by Radlett_blue

Exactly. This seemed a rushed deal & I suspect Plymouth felt they should cash in on a player who wouldn't be fit to play for a while & was going to be out of contract at the end of the season. Hence £500k seemed an attractive price to Town, although we were gambling on his fitness. 3 groin operations in 6 months doesn't sound good!


I'd like to think that the speed of this deal was more down to Ashton doing his job, trying to support the manager, getting quality bodies in to strengthen the squad on deadline day. Rather than sitting on his hands, when we had the funds to strengthen?
Two of the operations have happened whilst Pan was here. So, realistically, at the time, he was recovering from 1 operation. And quite a long way , already, down the road to recovery.
I think it's quite common to try and get away with a minor surgery, before undertaking a more serious surgery. It's a gamble that can pay off, in any walk of life. Unfortunately, this time, it hasn't..
Some people are fixated by the financial side of all this. But it's swings and roundabouts, imo. For instance, the unexpected emergence of Humphreys, would up his value. You could chuck Davis in their, too, for me. For players that are worth more now, than at the start of the season. So, overall, with other windfalls in gates and shirt sales etc. I doubt the future of our club is in peril, due to the Camara transfer..
I'm glad Ashton took the gamble on this one. Especially after years of "nothing" under Evans.. I suspect, along this journey. There will be other risks taken. Some will pay off and some won't. And in all honesty, 500k is peanuts, if we get promotion and start wheeler dealing at a higher level. Probably 10 times that amount, will be needed to secure the signings of top class Champ/Prem' ready players. Which is where we hope to be, in the next 2-3 seasons. You can't get there, without taking a risk or two.
And for all the stats driven, meticulous planning and professional approach. There will always be an element of luck involved.
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 13:49 - Dec 23 with 1196 viewsCheltenham_Blue

I never cease to be amazed how dense people are about transfers. The ‘medical’ is mainly for insurance purposes. If anything happens to him we’ll be insured against that loss.

You generally can’t sign a player without some kind of insurance against a career ending injury in place.
I’d rather have him with us than against us during the run in.
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Should we have purchased Camara? on 14:23 - Dec 23 with 1146 viewsFrimleyBlue

Should we have purchased Camara? on 13:49 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue

I never cease to be amazed how dense people are about transfers. The ‘medical’ is mainly for insurance purposes. If anything happens to him we’ll be insured against that loss.

You generally can’t sign a player without some kind of insurance against a career ending injury in place.
I’d rather have him with us than against us during the run in.
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That's for another discussion about medicals and insurance tho.

My thoughts are more about was it a worthwhile risk to take when we could have used the funds.. for example to offer Simpson more money. ( this is just an example btw. I personally wouldn't have done due to his own injury problem but you get the point I'm making.

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Should we have purchased Camara? on 15:23 - Dec 23 with 1083 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Should we have purchased Camara? on 06:30 - Dec 23 by ElephantintheRoom

Of course it was idiotic The manner of his departure from Plymouth raised serious questions about his character and his injury is clearly career threatening. Then there is the small matter of where he would fit in the team. Being charitable, it was a gamble - and it’s only borrowed money. What could possibly go wrong


Always good to read your positive take on things.

Please do elaborate on what about his departure from Plymouth demonstrated his questionable character.

Since he has played for us since his injury, clearly the injury he had when he arrived was not itself career-threatening.

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