| Clean direction required with Covid 09:59 - Feb 12 with 972 views | pointofblue |
The headlines this morning make grim reading - yet again after a number of hopeful stories and ministerial statements the brakes are seemingly being applied once again with it being said that restrictions will be in place until the end of the year.
From a selfish point of view the constant switching from accelerator to brake is hardly helping. One moment I think the success of the vaccines will give us a way out but then that apparently isn’t the case. I mean, how long can people cope for without seeing loved ones? How long can businesses stay afloat with these restrictions in place.
For me, the government needs to set out clearly what they are looking for in terms of numbers. In all likelihood we’ll be returning to the tier system when lockdown is lifted but, of that is the case, I think there needs to be a set point, either in terms of increase in cases or number of cases, between each tier so it doesn’t seem as arbitrary. There also needs to be a set point for a full lifting of restrictions as well.
For me, there also needs to be an explanation of when vaccinations will become viable. Again, selfish I know and I do apologise but this is where my head is this morning after seeing the headline - what’s the point of the vaccinations if restrictions are only going to be, at best, minimally lifted by Christmas?
Sorry, rant over, think I’m just feeling low today.  |  |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:06 - Feb 12 with 927 views | StokieBlue |
What headline are you referring to?
I've not seen anything along those lines this morning (although not looked much). I have however seen Ferguson saying he is hopeful this will be the UK's final lockdown.
"what’s the point of the vaccinations if restrictions are only going to be, at best, minimally lifted by Christmas?"
The point is they stop people dying as they stop hospitalisation and everything that goes along with that, both for the individual and for the strain on the NHS.
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:18 - Feb 12 with 878 views | TractorWood |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:06 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
What headline are you referring to?
I've not seen anything along those lines this morning (although not looked much). I have however seen Ferguson saying he is hopeful this will be the UK's final lockdown.
"what’s the point of the vaccinations if restrictions are only going to be, at best, minimally lifted by Christmas?"
The point is they stop people dying as they stop hospitalisation and everything that goes along with that, both for the individual and for the strain on the NHS.
SB |
We just need infections and deaths to be down to trivial levels numerically. 100 or so infections and sub 20 deaths and it will return to normality by osmosis.
When that is depends on the efficacy of vaccinations, suppressing new strains, modifying boosters and minimalising any movement of people. We are holistically in the same limbo as March 2020 and it's dawning on people that genuine normality may take ages to actually return as the vaccine may not be the silver bullet politicians told us it was but scientists caveated.
Nobody wants this but it's arguably easier to argue about holidays and school dates than actually acknowledging the big picture. [Post edited 12 Feb 2021 10:37]
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:23 - Feb 12 with 863 views | Guthrum |
Because it doesn't work like that. It's a bit like trying to find the correct level of braking in a car in slippery conditions. A constant process of assessing and adjustment.
There isn't a (known) point at which it will be safe to reopen to a certain degree. The virus itself is a moving target. We don't yet understand how effective the vaccine is going to be, hasn't been around very long or, really, enough people had it yet. How much of the recent drop in cases is due to vaccination and how much the lockdown? The consequences of going too early are not good.
I know people crave certainty, but it simply isn't there to give at the moment. Better to mentally prepare yourself for the worst and be pleasantly surprised than suffer dashed overoptimism (something we, as Town fans, have a lot of practice in). |  |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:56 - Feb 12 with 783 views | DebsyAngel |
I get where you are coming from, and feel the same, so can understand your fears. I wish this Government would just say the FACTS and not these dangled carrots that move 6 months further down the line when in distance of them. I also wish the press would print factual stuff and not all these contradictory stories - "holidays back on in 6 months!" scream one headline, while the next one says "this pandemic will last 10 years". I just do not know who or what to believe and I feel so low and that I will never regain my life back. I feel I have lost my identity. |  | | |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:13 - Feb 12 with 751 views | pointofblue |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:06 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
What headline are you referring to?
I've not seen anything along those lines this morning (although not looked much). I have however seen Ferguson saying he is hopeful this will be the UK's final lockdown.
"what’s the point of the vaccinations if restrictions are only going to be, at best, minimally lifted by Christmas?"
The point is they stop people dying as they stop hospitalisation and everything that goes along with that, both for the individual and for the strain on the NHS.
SB |
It’s the front page of The Times: “Stay apart until autumn under lockdown easing”. In the article there is also pressure from SAGE not to re-open schools in early March.
Regarding the vaccinations I agree but maybe I misunderstood how it was presented - I thought the point was vaccinate the vulnerable, get hospital cases and deaths down which would then lead to restrictions being lifted? And no one can argue the mutations weren’t predicted as it was pretty obvious this would occur. | |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:20 - Feb 12 with 727 views | vapour_trail |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:06 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
What headline are you referring to?
I've not seen anything along those lines this morning (although not looked much). I have however seen Ferguson saying he is hopeful this will be the UK's final lockdown.
"what’s the point of the vaccinations if restrictions are only going to be, at best, minimally lifted by Christmas?"
The point is they stop people dying as they stop hospitalisation and everything that goes along with that, both for the individual and for the strain on the NHS.
SB |
See the front of the times on the bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-56035063
Completely get where the op is coming from. Government go from saying enjoy a great British summer, to don’t even think about booking a holiday, in the space of a few weeks.
From its safe to be in schools to closing them for months, in the space of 24 hours.
Christmas, Easter etc etc.
It is demoralising for many people on many levels. Guthers is probably correct in that we should all adopt the mentality that following Ipswich under Evans has imbued in us all. |  |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:20 - Feb 12 with 730 views | Guthrum |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 10:56 - Feb 12 by DebsyAngel |
I get where you are coming from, and feel the same, so can understand your fears. I wish this Government would just say the FACTS and not these dangled carrots that move 6 months further down the line when in distance of them. I also wish the press would print factual stuff and not all these contradictory stories - "holidays back on in 6 months!" scream one headline, while the next one says "this pandemic will last 10 years". I just do not know who or what to believe and I feel so low and that I will never regain my life back. I feel I have lost my identity. |
That is the challenge of times like these. You have to construct a new identity, based upon the circumstances, a shell within which you can live for the duration.
You may have to find new and different good things which you can look forward to. Other ways you can pass the time. Thank goodness we live in an era where online - even group video - communication is possible when face-to-face is not. Virtual travel can be enjoyed (even in real time via webcams). Approach it positively as a long-term thing. Better to find you haven't time to finish the game than running out before the crisis is over.
I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do (after all, your pre-Covid life took years to build). And it will, hopefully, only be a temporary measure. But it's better than constantly longing for something we can't have presently, always hanging your hopes on (what frequently turn out to be) false promises. | |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:25 - Feb 12 with 695 views | Mookamoo |
They did say a while ago there will be a 'roadmap' from the 22nd February. (Or w/c 22nd Feb - they can't even get that right).
The trouble they have they have left the sub-idiots like Hancock and Williamson free to comment and further confuse matters, while the idiot-in-chief bumbles nonsense at 5pm once in a while. |  | | |
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:28 - Feb 12 with 687 views | StokieBlue |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:20 - Feb 12 by vapour_trail |
See the front of the times on the bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-56035063
Completely get where the op is coming from. Government go from saying enjoy a great British summer, to don’t even think about booking a holiday, in the space of a few weeks.
From its safe to be in schools to closing them for months, in the space of 24 hours.
Christmas, Easter etc etc.
It is demoralising for many people on many levels. Guthers is probably correct in that we should all adopt the mentality that following Ipswich under Evans has imbued in us all. |
So reading that (from the image) it's not really saying that restrictions won't be lifted, it's just saying that people will need to continue wearing face masks and observe social distancing and that pubs etc will need to be C19 secure.
So essentially like it was last summer and autumn.
That's quite different to the OP, people will be able to see loved ones etc just with some sensible precautions for a bit longer.
Fully understand that people are weary of the rules though.
The issue here is that if things just open up whilst cases are at 14000 per day then the cases will grow very quickly back up to 50000 and whilst the eldest and most vulnerable have been vaccinated there will be plenty in the 40-70 cohort who are still at risk. I believe more than 50% of people in ICU a few weeks back were under 60. For things to open up as much as most people would like we need cases down to 1000 a day or less really.
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| Clean direction required with Covid on 12:16 - Feb 12 with 618 views | pointofblue |
| Clean direction required with Covid on 11:28 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
So reading that (from the image) it's not really saying that restrictions won't be lifted, it's just saying that people will need to continue wearing face masks and observe social distancing and that pubs etc will need to be C19 secure.
So essentially like it was last summer and autumn.
That's quite different to the OP, people will be able to see loved ones etc just with some sensible precautions for a bit longer.
Fully understand that people are weary of the rules though.
The issue here is that if things just open up whilst cases are at 14000 per day then the cases will grow very quickly back up to 50000 and whilst the eldest and most vulnerable have been vaccinated there will be plenty in the 40-70 cohort who are still at risk. I believe more than 50% of people in ICU a few weeks back were under 60. For things to open up as much as most people would like we need cases down to 1000 a day or less really.
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It does actually mentioned that no decision has been made on seeing loved ones, which opens up the interpretation that that will be pushed back as well.
Your final paragraph is exactly my point though - if the government, with SAGE, can outline actual figures where tiers will have to be increased it may result in improved compliance from the public once the current lockdown is partially lifted. If the public is aware that if local cases hit, for example, 10 per 100 people then we’ll be moved from tier one to tier two then there might even be some self imposition to try and keep it down. At the moment it seems very arbitrary on how decisions are made, certainly thinking back to last summer and autumn. There needs to be more structure and guidance, as well as an improved track and trace plus looking at how the Far East and Australia/New Zealand have dealt with this. | |
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