| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... 17:20 - Nov 22 with 2912 views | unstableblue |
Number one: "Rotherham boss Warne has been in charge of the club since 2016.... He had spent the previous seven years with Rotherham, as a player for three years and then as part of the coaching set-up."
Number two: "Compared to the squad that ended the 2020/21 season, six of the starting XI remain from their final day 1-1 draw away to Cardiff City with seven of the bench still at the club"
He took over the club in November 2016, and oversaw a clusterf@ck of a season, 'securing' bottom place in the Championship and relegation by 20+ points from the nearest rival.
They started the 17/18 season abysmally, losing 3 in 4, they rallied a little, but then spent the middle of the season mid table.. before a great Jan/Feb run of games got them into the play-offs.. where they won and secured promotion.
Its a simple message isn't it, patience needed - O'Leary, Ashton and the American have pleaded for the same.
Now its right to question Cook, I am still not 100% convinced technically/tactically by Cook, but I've actually been at recent games and seen improvement. I'm on the border of whether if its enough.. I am really am. But look at the above and tell me time and patience aren't a factor here.
But people seem to be merging impatience and well founded desire to succeed after 10 years of sh!te under Marcus into low tolerance for Cook.
What is the meaning of cut your nose to spite your face?
“Cutting off the nose to spite the face” is an expression to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem: “Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face” is a warning against acting out of pique, or against pursuing revenge in a way that would damage oneself more than the object of one’s anger.
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:15 - Nov 22 with 664 views | Darth_Koont |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 21:47 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Burley was a novice manager with 20 games under his belt who inherited a doomed side that were tipped to drop through the divisions ala Swindon and turned them into outside candidates for the playoffs and top goalscorers in one season on a shoestring budget though. And proceeded to to build progressively better sides despite having to sell his best players every summer.
Cook was a manager with getting on for 700 games as a manager under his belt who inherited a side that was a couple of points off the playoffs, took them into mid table, blamed them for it after about 4 games, binned them all off and is now doing the same with a side assembled in a budget that wouldn't look bad a division higher.
Patience with mangers is all very well if they're the RIGHT manager.
We've only got to go back one or two seasons to see where persisting too long with the wrong manager gets you. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:53]
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Burley out!
A 5-year plan to get a relegated side back up? He’s just not up to it.
Get Warnock in. |  |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:27 - Nov 22 with 633 views | Darth_Koont |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:15 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Burley out!
A 5-year plan to get a relegated side back up? He’s just not up to it.
Get Warnock in. |
Ha! You know I’m right, Herbs.
Getting rid of Burley, even though we folded like a cheap suit and missed out on the play-offs in 96/97, would have been a massive mistake. Giving support beyond the “stats” and the expectations paid dividends.
Remains to be seen if Cook deserves the same leeway but if we continue to improve, even if it’s slow, then ... | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:39 - Nov 22 with 618 views | Herbivore |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:27 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Ha! You know I’m right, Herbs.
Getting rid of Burley, even though we folded like a cheap suit and missed out on the play-offs in 96/97, would have been a massive mistake. Giving support beyond the “stats” and the expectations paid dividends.
Remains to be seen if Cook deserves the same leeway but if we continue to improve, even if it’s slow, then ... |
Burley wasn't expected to take us up in 95/96 when we narrowly missed out on the play offs, he wasn't given the biggest war chest in the division to try and achieve that goal either. It's a stupid comparison quite frankly. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:49]
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:48 - Nov 22 with 607 views | pointofblue |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:15 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Burley out!
A 5-year plan to get a relegated side back up? He’s just not up to it.
Get Warnock in. |
Completely different scenario. Burley didn't take over a side a couple of points outside the top six and see them fall away, blame the players, bring in new ones - many of whom were who were being coveted by clubs in a higher division - resulting in being upper midtable in November with no discernable signs of consistent improvement. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:49]
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:50 - Nov 22 with 600 views | jayessess |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 21:38 - Nov 22 by blueislander |
Patience paid off with Burley didn’t it? Of course we had a board then who were much more in tune with “the Ipswich way” |
"For every football story where patience paid off, there's another story where patience just dug a deeper hole."
(In Burley's case I don't think he got "patience" is the sense implied here. We were performing roughly in accordance with our budget throughout his time at the club) |  |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:01 - Nov 22 with 577 views | BlueBadger |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:50 - Nov 22 by jayessess |
"For every football story where patience paid off, there's another story where patience just dug a deeper hole."
(In Burley's case I don't think he got "patience" is the sense implied here. We were performing roughly in accordance with our budget throughout his time at the club) |
Given that, on taking over the job we were widely expected to plummet through the divisions, you could argue that Burley performed well above expectation, on the whole.
We've only had two managers since, who've done that*
*Lambert doesn't count, I know the smarter of us expected him to be crap, but still. |  |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:18 - Nov 22 with 557 views | Darth_Koont |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:48 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
Completely different scenario. Burley didn't take over a side a couple of points outside the top six and see them fall away, blame the players, bring in new ones - many of whom were who were being coveted by clubs in a higher division - resulting in being upper midtable in November with no discernable signs of consistent improvement. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:49]
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Burley apologist!
I bet you’ll be happy clapping for the next 3 years. | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:21 - Nov 22 with 550 views | Darth_Koont |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:39 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Burley wasn't expected to take us up in 95/96 when we narrowly missed out on the play offs, he wasn't given the biggest war chest in the division to try and achieve that goal either. It's a stupid comparison quite frankly. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:49]
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He took over a Prem side. And failed to keep us up. Or get us up.
Where’s your ambition? | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:27 - Nov 22 with 518 views | pointofblue |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:18 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Burley apologist!
I bet you’ll be happy clapping for the next 3 years. |
 In fairness, the mess he made of 01/02 kickstarted us landing where we are now. That Liverpool home match... | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:35 - Nov 22 with 487 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 21:47 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Burley was a novice manager with 20 games under his belt who inherited a doomed side that were tipped to drop through the divisions ala Swindon and turned them into outside candidates for the playoffs and top goalscorers in one season on a shoestring budget though. And proceeded to to build progressively better sides despite having to sell his best players every summer.
Cook was a manager with getting on for 700 games as a manager under his belt who inherited a side that was a couple of points off the playoffs, took them into mid table, blamed them for it after about 4 games, binned them all off and is now doing the same with a side assembled in a budget that wouldn't look bad a division higher.
Patience with mangers is all very well if they're the RIGHT manager.
We've only got to go back one or two seasons to see where persisting too long with the wrong manager gets you. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:53]
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The team inherited by Cook was the worst ever mob in the history of the club. They didn't turn up for the three managers and that's very telling. |  | | |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 05:38 - Nov 23 with 442 views | Keaneish |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 21:47 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Burley was a novice manager with 20 games under his belt who inherited a doomed side that were tipped to drop through the divisions ala Swindon and turned them into outside candidates for the playoffs and top goalscorers in one season on a shoestring budget though. And proceeded to to build progressively better sides despite having to sell his best players every summer.
Cook was a manager with getting on for 700 games as a manager under his belt who inherited a side that was a couple of points off the playoffs, took them into mid table, blamed them for it after about 4 games, binned them all off and is now doing the same with a side assembled in a budget that wouldn't look bad a division higher.
Patience with mangers is all very well if they're the RIGHT manager.
We've only got to go back one or two seasons to see where persisting too long with the wrong manager gets you. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:53]
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I love that fans are now pointing to last season’s squad as an anchor of stability and that it was flexible and scalable enough to progress to a division higher. Where’s Mullet with his cries of “revisionism” when you need him?
That squad of ageing, ailing players. That squad of misfiring talent. That squad playing ponderous possession based football. That squad of managerial relics and scraps from several different turnovers. That squad of overpaid players on “good packages” according to Ashton.
Get your big coat on and get down to PR tonight and tell me at 10pm if you really think last season’s squad was better than what we have now because I distinctly remember some abysmal performances home and away to Rotherham. Man up. You’re starting to sound like Bluetit. |  |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 06:18 - Nov 23 with 433 views | pennblue |
I am an advocate of giving the manager time. Ashton has indicated he is looking for us to be strong coming out of the Jan window, that is probably about right, although really I would like to see us having a better haul of points than 4 in 12 against, Plymouth, Wycombe, Oxford and Sunderland. For me, 4 is on the low side, 7 would have been about right.
The next 3 tough games we have are key imo, so for me, out of the 21 points up for grabs against these tops teams, we should be getting 12 points. Well that means we can only hit 11 points (4 + 7) with 2 wins and a draw, and even that is looking highly unlikely right now.
So it really is 'over to the players' now to do the 'talking on the pitch'. The support is still strong right now, but a poor set of results against these next 3 top 6 siders could see that support subside. I think Ashton's view on allowing another window to get that stability is a reasonable one, but I just think the support is too twitchy giving the past few years to wait that long. Even on here, people are queuing up to stick the boot in. | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 06:43 - Nov 23 with 417 views | Herbivore |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 23:21 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
He took over a Prem side. And failed to keep us up. Or get us up.
Where’s your ambition? |
This falls under the whole never argue with stupid people thing, so I'm going to walk away at this point. Not sure what's happened to you of late but my best guess is you've taken a hefty blow to the head. See a doctor. | |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 09:12 - Nov 23 with 343 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 22:39 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Burley wasn't expected to take us up in 95/96 when we narrowly missed out on the play offs, he wasn't given the biggest war chest in the division to try and achieve that goal either. It's a stupid comparison quite frankly. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 22:49]
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Taking that comparison to its conclusion, we can look forward to Cook finally gaining promotion in 2026, making the playoffs in the Championship in 2027 and then getting relegated in 2028. Hooray! |  |
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| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 09:18 - Nov 23 with 339 views | BlueBadger |
| TWO important points to take in and digest ahead of tomorrow night.... on 06:18 - Nov 23 by pennblue |
I am an advocate of giving the manager time. Ashton has indicated he is looking for us to be strong coming out of the Jan window, that is probably about right, although really I would like to see us having a better haul of points than 4 in 12 against, Plymouth, Wycombe, Oxford and Sunderland. For me, 4 is on the low side, 7 would have been about right.
The next 3 tough games we have are key imo, so for me, out of the 21 points up for grabs against these tops teams, we should be getting 12 points. Well that means we can only hit 11 points (4 + 7) with 2 wins and a draw, and even that is looking highly unlikely right now.
So it really is 'over to the players' now to do the 'talking on the pitch'. The support is still strong right now, but a poor set of results against these next 3 top 6 siders could see that support subside. I think Ashton's view on allowing another window to get that stability is a reasonable one, but I just think the support is too twitchy giving the past few years to wait that long. Even on here, people are queuing up to stick the boot in. |
At what point do we stop allowing him to buy new players because the ones he has keep letting him down? | |
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