| Starmer to resign 15:12 - May 9 with 10492 views | GlasgowBlue |
If he's issued an FPN*.
Very clever and puts the ball back into Johnson's court.
*Durham Police have already said that they do not issue FPN's retrospectively, so he won't need to resign even of found guilty of breaking the lockdown rules. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 22:46 - May 9 with 1598 views | gazzer1999 |
| Starmer to resign on 22:29 - May 9 by jeera |
Don't be silly.
No one is shaming people's weight. Just one person is receiving insults.
There's a handful on here who have run out of excuses for Johnson so have grabbed onto this with all their might because that's all they seemingly have left.
Have a shot at explaining how this person is still running our country and why, if you still believe it, he is the right man for the job.
Looking for Harry's comments to leap on is a bit easy really and is easily ignored. Stick him on ignore.
Let's focus on the state of things and what can be done to put that right before worrying about a complete stranger insulting our ridiculous, piss-taking politicians in power.
Edit: typo. [Post edited 9 May 2022 23:08]
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I really could not care less about politicians in general yet alone Johnson, but do not excuse Harry for his constant and frankly blatant fat and ageist comments. Your comment regarding a complete stranger doing the insulting is typical of a keyboard warrior hiding because he thinks he will get away with it.
It needs to stop now, and if the moderators are reading this he needs to be warned. I will not stand by and read an ageist comment and let it go. Sorry if that does not fit your narrative but it does offend me, and I will continue to call him out no matter how many times he calls me a' righty', which is a lazy and typical response. |  | | |
| Starmer to resign on 22:49 - May 9 with 1585 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer to resign on 19:08 - May 9 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, I still think Starmer is part of the problem not the solution. Oh and he’s a liar too.
I can’t help it if my opinion boils centrist p1ss. That’s their problem.
Anyway, what did you think about the article? |
“Anyway, what did you think about the article?”
I stopped reading at ‘Owen Jones’. |  | | |
| Starmer to resign on 23:22 - May 9 with 1541 views | HARRY10 |
| Starmer to resign on 22:46 - May 9 by gazzer1999 |
I really could not care less about politicians in general yet alone Johnson, but do not excuse Harry for his constant and frankly blatant fat and ageist comments. Your comment regarding a complete stranger doing the insulting is typical of a keyboard warrior hiding because he thinks he will get away with it.
It needs to stop now, and if the moderators are reading this he needs to be warned. I will not stand by and read an ageist comment and let it go. Sorry if that does not fit your narrative but it does offend me, and I will continue to call him out no matter how many times he calls me a' righty', which is a lazy and typical response. |
I am surprised that you know where I live - and you do need to call a bit louder, I have opened the windows but I still can't hear you
And well done for getting offended on behalf of someone else ..............who is fat
Perhaps you could invoke the blasphemy laws
"but it does offend me"
rather reminiscent of the late Mary Whitehouse who would subject herself regularly to that 'cesspit of moral degeneracy and filth' (the BBC) so she could be offended | | | |
| Starmer to resign on 08:52 - May 10 with 1438 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Starmer to resign on 22:46 - May 9 by gazzer1999 |
I really could not care less about politicians in general yet alone Johnson, but do not excuse Harry for his constant and frankly blatant fat and ageist comments. Your comment regarding a complete stranger doing the insulting is typical of a keyboard warrior hiding because he thinks he will get away with it.
It needs to stop now, and if the moderators are reading this he needs to be warned. I will not stand by and read an ageist comment and let it go. Sorry if that does not fit your narrative but it does offend me, and I will continue to call him out no matter how many times he calls me a' righty', which is a lazy and typical response. |
For someone that claims not to care less about politicians your posting history is full of engagement on threads about them and a very strong recurring theme throughout demonstrating you are very much team blue and not red.
I agree Harry's personal barbs detract from the points and of course you are entitled to call him out for discriminatory comments (in your view of course) but for someone so keen to call out that sort of behaviour I can't see any posts calling out racial or homophobic discrimination from you - perhaps I've missed them, perhaps it's a coincidence or perhaps there is another reason?? [Post edited 10 May 2022 10:29]
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| Starmer to resign on 08:55 - May 10 with 1414 views | chicoazul |
| Starmer to resign on 23:22 - May 9 by HARRY10 |
I am surprised that you know where I live - and you do need to call a bit louder, I have opened the windows but I still can't hear you
And well done for getting offended on behalf of someone else ..............who is fat
Perhaps you could invoke the blasphemy laws
"but it does offend me"
rather reminiscent of the late Mary Whitehouse who would subject herself regularly to that 'cesspit of moral degeneracy and filth' (the BBC) so she could be offended |
Rather reminiscent of you on here too mate. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 09:24 - May 10 with 1397 views | SouperJim |
| Starmer to resign on 22:22 - May 9 by Trequartista |
Starmer is saying he is absolutely clear he has not broken rules, yet his pledge to resign only covers if he receives a fine. This leaves a quite plausible outcome where he is found to have broken the rules but is not fined because, as you say, they won't issue if enough time has passed.
So where would that leave him? Back in the same sticky situation i would think. |
He's not going to be found to have broken the rules though is he, because he didn't.
Regardless of your political persuasion, it's quite clear that on multiple occasions the tories had a jolly up during lockdown. Starmer on the other hand, got caught on some wobbly phone footage through a window having a meal during a night when they were working on an election campaign.
I worked through lockdown. I ate my lunch in the office every day while chatting to my colleagues, as did millions of others up and down the country. Did we break the rules? Of course not. It's completely laughable.
For any moderate individual looking at what the two actually got up to, one lot broke the rules, the other lot didn't. The ones that did are just desperately trying to paint the other lot as as bad as they are to detract from the scandal-infested car crash which is their administration. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 09:31 - May 10 with 1372 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Starmer to resign on 15:22 - May 9 by hype313 |
Win Win for him, after the local elections, he hasn't made the gains he'd hoped in the North and without the Red Wall and Scotland they don't have a chance, he's probably thinking about taking the moral high ground, throw Boris under a bus and go back into the Private Sector. |
Would that be former Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer going "back into the Private Sector"? | | | |
| Starmer to resign on 09:35 - May 10 with 1365 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer to resign on 09:24 - May 10 by SouperJim |
He's not going to be found to have broken the rules though is he, because he didn't.
Regardless of your political persuasion, it's quite clear that on multiple occasions the tories had a jolly up during lockdown. Starmer on the other hand, got caught on some wobbly phone footage through a window having a meal during a night when they were working on an election campaign.
I worked through lockdown. I ate my lunch in the office every day while chatting to my colleagues, as did millions of others up and down the country. Did we break the rules? Of course not. It's completely laughable.
For any moderate individual looking at what the two actually got up to, one lot broke the rules, the other lot didn't. The ones that did are just desperately trying to paint the other lot as as bad as they are to detract from the scandal-infested car crash which is their administration. |
Well said.
This whole affair has produced such a strange and revealing alliance of Tories and Corbynites. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 09:44 - May 10 with 1334 views | Kievthegreat |
| Starmer to resign on 09:35 - May 10 by giant_stow |
Well said.
This whole affair has produced such a strange and revealing alliance of Tories and Corbynites. |
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, unfortunately the left wing of the Labour party hate the right wing of the labour party more than the Tories. |  | | |
| Starmer to resign on 09:55 - May 10 with 1301 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 21:21 - May 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Do you really want to go down the route for being an apologist for our lying PM? Who's 'offended' on enough times for any previous PM to have resigned several times over?
You get a lot of unjustified stick on here for holding to your views, but when you excuse Johnson's lying I'm starting to think maybe the criticism is justified after all. Given your support for Corbyn you should be able to see straight through the smear campaign at play here and ignore it, not join in. If you don't agree agree with Starmer's viewpoint, that's fine and part of politics, but don't conflate a differences of political opinion with flagrant law breaking and lying in Parliament. The two things aren't in any way related. |
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, Swanners.
I don’t excuse Johnson’s lies. It’s just that we’ve had decades of them. So I find it odd that it’s only now that the country has decided enough is enough – not when it was deciding whether he should be Prime Minister of a country and leader of its actual government.
And of course I see the attempts to ensnare Starmer and also smear him like over Savile. Again, I find it odd that this is suddenly beyond the pale when even sillier but nastier stuff was thrown at Labour leaders before.
I think unfortunately there is a comparison with Sunak. So it seems as if Starmer might be hoisted by his own petard.
But this is our politics and the state of our leading politicians now. Totally overshadowing local elections and totally missing the bigger issues they’re there to tackle. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 09:58 - May 10 with 1294 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 09:44 - May 10 by Kievthegreat |
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, unfortunately the left wing of the Labour party hate the right wing of the labour party more than the Tories. |
Probably. The Labour right certainly hate the left more than the Tories. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 10:19 - May 10 with 1267 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 09:35 - May 10 by giant_stow |
Well said.
This whole affair has produced such a strange and revealing alliance of Tories and Corbynites. |
What does that reveal according to you?
The “alliance” between the centre and the right in 2015-19 that swept the Tories and Johnson to power revealed that the centre doesn’t want social democracy any more than the right do.
I’d suggest that the current “alliance” is that the right don’t like Starmer because he’s not Johnson. The left hate Starmer because they think his politics is just as bad as Johnson’s for the country and the people being continually marginalised. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 10:23 - May 10 with 1255 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 22:49 - May 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Anyway, what did you think about the article?”
I stopped reading at ‘Owen Jones’. |
You should definitely read it then.
I don’t agree with everything Jones writes, but he makes a lot of sense here. And of course he’s bang on about Starmer’s political dishonesty that his supporters try to ignore. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 11:11 - May 10 with 1227 views | Trequartista |
| Starmer to resign on 09:35 - May 10 by giant_stow |
Well said.
This whole affair has produced such a strange and revealing alliance of Tories and Corbynites. |
It’s a sad indictment of modern times that people have to pick a side to form their opinion rather than look at anything objectively. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 11:19 - May 10 with 1203 views | tractordownsouth |
| Starmer to resign on 10:23 - May 10 by Darth_Koont |
You should definitely read it then.
I don’t agree with everything Jones writes, but he makes a lot of sense here. And of course he’s bang on about Starmer’s political dishonesty that his supporters try to ignore. |
Jones's Twitter takes have been disingenious at best this week. He's claiming the Greens made more gains than Labour because progressive voters switched over, ignoring the fact that most of the Green vote came from NIMBY Tories in the South - constituencies where Labour aren't competitive. And given the Liberals were even more successful in these areas and across the country, it can hardly be spun as a victory for the left over centrism.
Also, in the last local elections Corbyn fought, Greens gained seats again and Labour lost them so that discredits his narrative even futher. |  |
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| Starmer to resign on 11:31 - May 10 with 1181 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 11:19 - May 10 by tractordownsouth |
Jones's Twitter takes have been disingenious at best this week. He's claiming the Greens made more gains than Labour because progressive voters switched over, ignoring the fact that most of the Green vote came from NIMBY Tories in the South - constituencies where Labour aren't competitive. And given the Liberals were even more successful in these areas and across the country, it can hardly be spun as a victory for the left over centrism.
Also, in the last local elections Corbyn fought, Greens gained seats again and Labour lost them so that discredits his narrative even futher. |
There’s a lot of election interpretation going on from you, him and others.
And it’s pretty poor for Labour not to be more of a beneficiary in England. Given the abject state of the government.
Anyway, that’s not what Jones is writing about here. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 13:07 - May 10 with 1098 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer to resign on 10:19 - May 10 by Darth_Koont |
What does that reveal according to you?
The “alliance” between the centre and the right in 2015-19 that swept the Tories and Johnson to power revealed that the centre doesn’t want social democracy any more than the right do.
I’d suggest that the current “alliance” is that the right don’t like Starmer because he’s not Johnson. The left hate Starmer because they think his politics is just as bad as Johnson’s for the country and the people being continually marginalised. |
It reveals to me that Tories and Corbynites both fear a Starmer GE win. Which is understandable in the case of the Tories, but incomprehensible in the case of the Corbynites. If they really cared about poorer people, they'd be seeking immediate relief from tory policies which are grinding millions into further poverty. But they'd rather win the political game in their own party than serve the people they pretend to represent. In your language, just more self-interested career politicians seeking to protect their fiefdoms, power and salaries.
And all on some jumped up charge manufactured by the Tory press. Its actually slickening.
There was no alliance between the Labour centre and Tories between 2015-19. If anything it suited the Tory party and Corbyn's labour to have each other as foes. Corbyn was simply screwed by the racism scandal his regime helped bring on.
PS: I read Owen Jones' article (usually do) and although he makes a fair point about needing more policy, the whole premise is wrong - Starmer hasn't been busted and by suggesting he has, Jones just reinforces the Tory press narrative. [Post edited 10 May 2022 13:14]
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| Starmer to resign on 13:10 - May 10 with 1092 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer to resign on 09:44 - May 10 by Kievthegreat |
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, unfortunately the left wing of the Labour party hate the right wing of the labour party more than the Tories. |
Where does this place everyone's favourite lefty lawyer though? I've never had him down as a Corbynista or a member of the cult of Johnson.
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| Starmer to resign on 13:19 - May 10 with 1057 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer to resign on 13:07 - May 10 by giant_stow |
It reveals to me that Tories and Corbynites both fear a Starmer GE win. Which is understandable in the case of the Tories, but incomprehensible in the case of the Corbynites. If they really cared about poorer people, they'd be seeking immediate relief from tory policies which are grinding millions into further poverty. But they'd rather win the political game in their own party than serve the people they pretend to represent. In your language, just more self-interested career politicians seeking to protect their fiefdoms, power and salaries.
And all on some jumped up charge manufactured by the Tory press. Its actually slickening.
There was no alliance between the Labour centre and Tories between 2015-19. If anything it suited the Tory party and Corbyn's labour to have each other as foes. Corbyn was simply screwed by the racism scandal his regime helped bring on.
PS: I read Owen Jones' article (usually do) and although he makes a fair point about needing more policy, the whole premise is wrong - Starmer hasn't been busted and by suggesting he has, Jones just reinforces the Tory press narrative. [Post edited 10 May 2022 13:14]
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You’re not very good at reading then. Jones calls out Beergate as a relatively silly attack from the right. But it’s also fair to say that Starmer’s own dogged pursuit of this line of attack (Sunak?) has set himself up for the fall.
There’s no alliance now either. And stop talking nonsense about a “racism scandal his regime brought on”. Utter fiction as anyone remotely objective knows. It was a full scale smear campaign as you well know. And way, way worse than Johnson’s Savile smear people clutched their pearls over. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 13:21 - May 10 with 1060 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer to resign on 13:10 - May 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Where does this place everyone's favourite lefty lawyer though? I've never had him down as a Corbynista or a member of the cult of Johnson.
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I'm not sure I understand why he think its a proper story, but it seems to hinge on the event actually being two events with the meal as a separate thing? If so, seems a bit wanton and desperate to me, but obviously I'm no lawyer. No idea what Maugham's motivation is - can only guess he wants to be seen as even-handed in his tweeting. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 13:29 - May 10 with 1047 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer to resign on 13:19 - May 10 by Darth_Koont |
You’re not very good at reading then. Jones calls out Beergate as a relatively silly attack from the right. But it’s also fair to say that Starmer’s own dogged pursuit of this line of attack (Sunak?) has set himself up for the fall.
There’s no alliance now either. And stop talking nonsense about a “racism scandal his regime brought on”. Utter fiction as anyone remotely objective knows. It was a full scale smear campaign as you well know. And way, way worse than Johnson’s Savile smear people clutched their pearls over. |
Jones does say that, but only after teeing up the attack on Starmer as a man without integrity (to facilitate his real point about Starmer lying to the labour left). Cake and eat it, which is normal for Owen, who is a populist at heart and therefore bendy. The labour version of Hodges (who i also read regularly!).
Not doing the anti-Semitism thing again - sorry. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 13:45 - May 10 with 1029 views | HARRY10 |
| Starmer to resign on 15:14 - May 9 by Cotty |
All fines are retrospective unless you do it right in front of a copper Shirley? |
" Corbyn was simply screwed by the racism scandal his regime helped bring on. "
er ?
Since when has criticism of the state of Israel been racism ?
Corbyn was ,as will Stramer be,a victim of right wing smears, using the tabloids. They know most voters rarely read beyond the headlines and a constant drip drip of a lie has an effect (see Goebbels)
I will be generous and assume you fall into that category, as to think otherwsie would have you are part of the smear campaign. | | | |
| Starmer to resign on 13:55 - May 10 with 1013 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer to resign on 13:45 - May 10 by HARRY10 |
" Corbyn was simply screwed by the racism scandal his regime helped bring on. "
er ?
Since when has criticism of the state of Israel been racism ?
Corbyn was ,as will Stramer be,a victim of right wing smears, using the tabloids. They know most voters rarely read beyond the headlines and a constant drip drip of a lie has an effect (see Goebbels)
I will be generous and assume you fall into that category, as to think otherwsie would have you are part of the smear campaign. |
“Corbyn’s bigotry/enablement is fine because he’s “on the right team”. In the same way people gloss over Harry10’s bigotry against the religious, the overweight and the disabled - because he sticks it to Boris. ”
No surprise you saw no wrongdoing H. And I must apologise- I also forgot to include misogyny (noting your framing of a female reporter as a “bimbo”. | | | |
| Starmer to resign on 14:29 - May 10 with 960 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer to resign on 13:45 - May 10 by HARRY10 |
" Corbyn was simply screwed by the racism scandal his regime helped bring on. "
er ?
Since when has criticism of the state of Israel been racism ?
Corbyn was ,as will Stramer be,a victim of right wing smears, using the tabloids. They know most voters rarely read beyond the headlines and a constant drip drip of a lie has an effect (see Goebbels)
I will be generous and assume you fall into that category, as to think otherwsie would have you are part of the smear campaign. |
Oh gawd I've been Harry-ed again. ouch. | |
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| Starmer to resign on 14:51 - May 10 with 924 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Starmer to resign on 16:41 - May 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Jeremy was less than impressed with the local election results.
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He might be a little biased, can't think why. |  |
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