| Can we start eating the rich yet? 14:59 - Mar 16 with 9819 views | monytowbray |
I feel like this is the best window of opportunity we've had in a while. |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:10 - Mar 16 with 1743 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:05 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE |
I don't necessarily agree with Callis a lot of the time but it's hard to argue with his general point here. Virgin want a bail out while throwing their staff under the bus and the man who founded the company could pay them all with pocket change.
Lets not forget that Virgin were one of the group who bought Flybe and have already had government help before Flybe went under for good. |
Callis is talking about billionaires deserving to die. He literally joked about that (well I hope it was a joke) in a comment above.
It's a complex issue.
On the face of it why should Virgin be bailed out? It reads that billionaires have asked for a handout, when millions of small businesses will be affected and will need help also.
However, Virgin is an airline that may have to shut down for months putting how every many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk. So I can see why they would ask. I am sure they won't get anything because everyone is going to be in the same boat and the government can't help everyone, but it's not like Richard Branson has £5,000,000,000 sitting in his safe somewhere where he can pay all the staff with.
This isn't a billionaire asking for us to pay for his food and drink so he cannot spend his own money. It's a very rich person asking for help with their industry that is collapsing and will likely require a significant number of people suffer hardship. So I see why they are asking the question, even if I am sure there are much more worthy companies to be helped out, the people who will suffer and may need help are not the fat cats, they are ordinary people. |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:25 - Mar 16 with 1703 views | J2BLUE |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:10 - Mar 16 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Callis is talking about billionaires deserving to die. He literally joked about that (well I hope it was a joke) in a comment above.
It's a complex issue.
On the face of it why should Virgin be bailed out? It reads that billionaires have asked for a handout, when millions of small businesses will be affected and will need help also.
However, Virgin is an airline that may have to shut down for months putting how every many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk. So I can see why they would ask. I am sure they won't get anything because everyone is going to be in the same boat and the government can't help everyone, but it's not like Richard Branson has £5,000,000,000 sitting in his safe somewhere where he can pay all the staff with.
This isn't a billionaire asking for us to pay for his food and drink so he cannot spend his own money. It's a very rich person asking for help with their industry that is collapsing and will likely require a significant number of people suffer hardship. So I see why they are asking the question, even if I am sure there are much more worthy companies to be helped out, the people who will suffer and may need help are not the fat cats, they are ordinary people. |
Still seems unnecessary to ask staff to take 2 months of unpaid leave? Surely there's a middle ground? Even a token £200 per week payment would be a huge bonus to these people who do not deserve this.
If Virgin can't afford to borrow an extra £10-£15m and be profitable enough to pay that back over the long term then the government shouldn't even be considering loaning them the massive amount they want. |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:32 - Mar 16 with 1683 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:10 - Mar 16 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Callis is talking about billionaires deserving to die. He literally joked about that (well I hope it was a joke) in a comment above.
It's a complex issue.
On the face of it why should Virgin be bailed out? It reads that billionaires have asked for a handout, when millions of small businesses will be affected and will need help also.
However, Virgin is an airline that may have to shut down for months putting how every many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk. So I can see why they would ask. I am sure they won't get anything because everyone is going to be in the same boat and the government can't help everyone, but it's not like Richard Branson has £5,000,000,000 sitting in his safe somewhere where he can pay all the staff with.
This isn't a billionaire asking for us to pay for his food and drink so he cannot spend his own money. It's a very rich person asking for help with their industry that is collapsing and will likely require a significant number of people suffer hardship. So I see why they are asking the question, even if I am sure there are much more worthy companies to be helped out, the people who will suffer and may need help are not the fat cats, they are ordinary people. |
Yeah it is very complex, particularly when the super rich who spent years telling us Socialism is bad suddenly want socialism to keep them and them alone rich.
https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-atlantic-boss-urges-boris-johnson-to-sanction-
So we pay for them to stay in business and get nothing.
For fear of sounding like I'm an Infowars conspiracy nut I'm going to say "wake up sheeple", but it's not a conspiracy theory. It's there for all to see. The trains want a bailout now too. The banks got their own in 2008. No one gets punished. No one goes to prison. The shareholders stay rich. But we end up out of pocket.
This is why many of us have been laughing at the idea of Brexit and taking back control. You've been hoodwinked by those who make your life harder into giving them more power by blaming the person who's in the same boat. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:34 - Mar 16 with 1676 views | monytowbray |
My Mum's just texted me saying "Branson's a c*nt, inject him with the virus". Literally word from word.
My family has been politically rad since my Dad joined the Green Party. See used to fall for Branson's "nice beardy casual bloke" public image too so this makes me happy :) | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:35 - Mar 16 with 1667 views | SpruceMoose |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:34 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
My Mum's just texted me saying "Branson's a c*nt, inject him with the virus". Literally word from word.
My family has been politically rad since my Dad joined the Green Party. See used to fall for Branson's "nice beardy casual bloke" public image too so this makes me happy :) |
Well...She sounds nice. |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:39 - Mar 16 with 1663 views | StokieBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:32 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
Yeah it is very complex, particularly when the super rich who spent years telling us Socialism is bad suddenly want socialism to keep them and them alone rich.
https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-atlantic-boss-urges-boris-johnson-to-sanction-
So we pay for them to stay in business and get nothing.
For fear of sounding like I'm an Infowars conspiracy nut I'm going to say "wake up sheeple", but it's not a conspiracy theory. It's there for all to see. The trains want a bailout now too. The banks got their own in 2008. No one gets punished. No one goes to prison. The shareholders stay rich. But we end up out of pocket.
This is why many of us have been laughing at the idea of Brexit and taking back control. You've been hoodwinked by those who make your life harder into giving them more power by blaming the person who's in the same boat. |
You've been a bit disingenuous here, possibly not intentionally though.
Branson has not asked for 7.5bn to bail out Virgin. He has asked for a credit facility of 5bn to 7.5bn across the whole industry to be paid back when normal operating conditions resume. A credit facility is just a fancy name for a loan.
It's across all airlines registered in the UK and also to help support the airports and industry around them which are going to suffer greatly. Aviation is unlikely to return to normal levels for 6 months at least and from that article the IATA have predicted that globally aviation revenues will be down by 113bn.
So it's not really like you are saying and the original tweet was far too simplistic.
Out of interest, who exactly should get punished for a global epidemic started in another country?
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:39 - Mar 16 with 1658 views | leitrimblue |
I have very little time for Branson. He quite clearly got lucky with that pickle recipe and been living off it ever since |  | | |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:41 - Mar 16 with 1646 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 15:47 - Mar 16 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
And what contribution will you be making?
I assume you've got some things you don't desperately need that you could perhaps sell off and give the proceeds to someone more worthy.
Why it is the responsibility of a billionaire to sell a supercar to help others? Because they can afford to. Just like the rail networks.
Perhaps you should publish a definitive guide on who in society we should respect and who we should hate. |
A billionaire selling off a supercar* to help those less fortunate is equivalent to someone on the average wage buying 3 copies of The Big Issue a year.
*for a supercar value of £258,620
Why do some people aggressively defend the 'right' to obscene levels of inequality? |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:43 - Mar 16 with 1643 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:35 - Mar 16 by SpruceMoose |
Well...She sounds nice. |
My Mum is rad.
Art least she isn't trying to dismantle the NHS for profit or asking for a handout from the government despite being worth more money than most the world combined though. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:45 - Mar 16 with 1632 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:41 - Mar 16 by Swansea_Blue |
A billionaire selling off a supercar* to help those less fortunate is equivalent to someone on the average wage buying 3 copies of The Big Issue a year.
*for a supercar value of £258,620
Why do some people aggressively defend the 'right' to obscene levels of inequality? |
Because they've been brainwashed not to hate on the rich as it should be their goal to join the elite and also f*ck everyone over for personal gain rather than wake up to the fact a fairer society for all would also benefit them.
The funny side of that is most will never join said elite, even if they do strike gold. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:46 - Mar 16 with 1626 views | footers |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:39 - Mar 16 by leitrimblue |
I have very little time for Branson. He quite clearly got lucky with that pickle recipe and been living off it ever since |
No room for cheesy jokes on a thread like this. |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:50 - Mar 16 with 1605 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:39 - Mar 16 by StokieBlue |
You've been a bit disingenuous here, possibly not intentionally though.
Branson has not asked for 7.5bn to bail out Virgin. He has asked for a credit facility of 5bn to 7.5bn across the whole industry to be paid back when normal operating conditions resume. A credit facility is just a fancy name for a loan.
It's across all airlines registered in the UK and also to help support the airports and industry around them which are going to suffer greatly. Aviation is unlikely to return to normal levels for 6 months at least and from that article the IATA have predicted that globally aviation revenues will be down by 113bn.
So it's not really like you are saying and the original tweet was far too simplistic.
Out of interest, who exactly should get punished for a global epidemic started in another country?
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No one, I speak in general terms mostly to do with the 2008 stuff.
Although I'm sure you could send most billionaires to prison for crimes against humanity without much digging.
Sir Phillip Green, lock him up for a start. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:51 - Mar 16 with 1590 views | StokieBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:50 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
No one, I speak in general terms mostly to do with the 2008 stuff.
Although I'm sure you could send most billionaires to prison for crimes against humanity without much digging.
Sir Phillip Green, lock him up for a start. |
If you are referring to instances outside of this outbreak then fine.
And on the fact that your posts in this thread have been wrong in regards to what has been asked for and why? Anything to say on that?
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:53 - Mar 16 with 1579 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:39 - Mar 16 by StokieBlue |
You've been a bit disingenuous here, possibly not intentionally though.
Branson has not asked for 7.5bn to bail out Virgin. He has asked for a credit facility of 5bn to 7.5bn across the whole industry to be paid back when normal operating conditions resume. A credit facility is just a fancy name for a loan.
It's across all airlines registered in the UK and also to help support the airports and industry around them which are going to suffer greatly. Aviation is unlikely to return to normal levels for 6 months at least and from that article the IATA have predicted that globally aviation revenues will be down by 113bn.
So it's not really like you are saying and the original tweet was far too simplistic.
Out of interest, who exactly should get punished for a global epidemic started in another country?
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I am surprised you didn't point out that the banks got another bail out last night (QE 3 isn't it?) |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:56 - Mar 16 with 1566 views | manchego |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:53 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I am surprised you didn't point out that the banks got another bail out last night (QE 3 isn't it?) |
Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor. |  | | |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:04 - Mar 16 with 1546 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 16:51 - Mar 16 by StokieBlue |
If you are referring to instances outside of this outbreak then fine.
And on the fact that your posts in this thread have been wrong in regards to what has been asked for and why? Anything to say on that?
SB |
The government wouldn't bail me out if I had a quiet month or an accident. So that's my answer. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:06 - Mar 16 with 1543 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:04 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
The government wouldn't bail me out if I had a quiet month or an accident. So that's my answer. |
What are you doing on here mate? I thought you'd be on the podium giving the press conference alongside the CMO and CSA? |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:07 - Mar 16 with 1534 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:06 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
What are you doing on here mate? I thought you'd be on the podium giving the press conference alongside the CMO and CSA? |
Well seeing at they've done a complete U-turn whilst you kept screaming to trust the government you should probably stay hush.
When will you learn they don't care about us? We are in the same boat friend. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:10 - Mar 16 with 1524 views | StokieBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:04 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
The government wouldn't bail me out if I had a quiet month or an accident. So that's my answer. |
It's credit facility.
You also don't have hundreds of thousands of people in your supply chain who would lose their jobs if you weren't given access to credit.
Those people will lose their jobs if this continues as expected and the losses are as predicted. This wouldn't have been in any business continuity plans like a short sharp hit like terrorism would have been.
I'm just not sure now is the time to be making political points, as discussed in depth yesterday by many posters.
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:11 - Mar 16 with 1510 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:07 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
Well seeing at they've done a complete U-turn whilst you kept screaming to trust the government you should probably stay hush.
When will you learn they don't care about us? We are in the same boat friend. |
They have moved onto the next phase. They said this would happen. | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:13 - Mar 16 with 1498 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:10 - Mar 16 by StokieBlue |
It's credit facility.
You also don't have hundreds of thousands of people in your supply chain who would lose their jobs if you weren't given access to credit.
Those people will lose their jobs if this continues as expected and the losses are as predicted. This wouldn't have been in any business continuity plans like a short sharp hit like terrorism would have been.
I'm just not sure now is the time to be making political points, as discussed in depth yesterday by many posters.
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Most businesses would not get the level of love though. It's like they have their own set of rules. The billionaires could keep most the world afloat for years with their combined fortune if they wanted.
When sh1tty things happen, it needs calling out. This is political I'm afraid. Can't just be ignored. Surely you'd agree? | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:15 - Mar 16 with 1487 views | jaykay |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:07 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
Well seeing at they've done a complete U-turn whilst you kept screaming to trust the government you should probably stay hush.
When will you learn they don't care about us? We are in the same boat friend. |
its not if branson has had a bailout before
oh wait there's train coming |  |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:16 - Mar 16 with 1484 views | monytowbray |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:11 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
They have moved onto the next phase. They said this would happen. |
Must have missed that Friday when they kept saying "wash your hands". | |
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:20 - Mar 16 with 1470 views | StokieBlue |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:13 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
Most businesses would not get the level of love though. It's like they have their own set of rules. The billionaires could keep most the world afloat for years with their combined fortune if they wanted.
When sh1tty things happen, it needs calling out. This is political I'm afraid. Can't just be ignored. Surely you'd agree? |
Why is a sh1tty thing to provide loans that will be repaid in order to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people don't lose their jobs?
If possible the government should be extending credit facilities along those lines to many businesses. In fact they did that for small businesses in the budget:
A “Coronavirus Business Interruption Loan Scheme” will support up to a further £1bn lending to smaller businesses. The government will guarantee bank loans to small businesses on amounts of up to £1.2m. The government will cover bank losses of up to 80pc.
Did you know that 77,000 people work at Heathrow? That's half of the population of Ipswich and that's one airport out of the whole country. You are essentially condemning many of them to having no job with your stance.
It's a really bad time for everyone, I don't think you should be making it political - what possible good can it do?
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| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:20 - Mar 16 with 1469 views | manchego |
| Can we start eating the rich yet? on 17:11 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
They have moved onto the next phase. They said this would happen. |
Johnson’s first press conference with Whitty and Vallance was on 3 March, just under two weeks ago. It coincided with the government publishing the coronavirus action plan, and Johnson’s overall tone was intended to be reassuring. He said the country would get through this “in good shape”.
Two days later Johnson gave an interview to ITV’s this morning in which he said it should be “business as usual” for the overwhelming majority of people in the country.
On Monday last week Johnson gave a press conference during which he revealed that he had given up shaking hands, and that in due course people with a fever would be asked to stay at home for seven days.
And then the tone changed very abruptly on Thursday last week, when Johnson said at a press conference that “many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time”.
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He is winging it. | | | |
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