| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter 13:21 - Apr 9 with 8490 views | galacticoblue |
...wow - so much disrepectful sh*te going around - its pretty shocking.
I know Twitter isn't representative of the whole population, but f** me, people can be terrible. |  | | |  |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:42 - Apr 9 with 1136 views | IP4_Blue |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:27 - Apr 9 by SpruceMoose |
I don't think it's that controversial to say that you are clearly an idiot if you genuinely believe poor people are poor mainly because they don't try hard enough to be rich.
Not even our sensible right leaning posters will be rushing to back you up on that opinion I'm afraid. Not in public at least, and certainly not before the fifth scotch of the night.
I actually thought I was being charitable to say you were trolling rather than to suggest you're likely a stone cold moron who is as much an accountant as I am an astronaut. [Post edited 9 Apr 2021 14:29]
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Everybody's circumstances are different. My missus is a health visitor who see's some awful things where parents are on drugs children on child protection schemes, it is really sad. I do not believe poor people are poor because they don't try hard enough, I just believe this country gives everyone an opportunity. I hope some of the people that my missus sees can get help and get a normal life as possible | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:43 - Apr 9 with 1129 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:36 - Apr 9 by IP4_Blue |
The parents i mean |
And how exactly should they help themselves? You've acknowledged not everyone can be rich. We have a society with a large proportion of the workforce earn minimum wage or barely above it. People in these jobs are working hard, in the pandemic they were the people selling you your groceries and packing and delivering your Amazon orders.
Society needs these people but they don't earn enough to maintain a reasonable standard of living without government support. Meanwhile your banker mates create more wealth for the wealthy and get paid a fortune. But those jobs are scarce and society wouldn't function if we had more bankers than carers or shop workers or delivery drivers.
What's your solution, caller? |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:44 - Apr 9 with 1129 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:39 - Apr 9 by GaryCooper |
Life just slips through your impossibly smooth hands. |
Just as the point invariably slips through yours, Gary. We know you don't get it. We've been here before. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:46 - Apr 9 with 1107 views | Ryorry |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:31 - Apr 9 by borge |
Totally and completely agree with the first sentence. Partially disagree with the second and third.
It isn't ever that black and white but rather than trying to persuade with logical arguments, as a society we now seem to have become entrenched in an 'us' and 'them' narrative that is usually totally false.
There are plenty of thick voters on all sides of the political spectrum just as there are plenty of smart ones. Just because people take views that are contrary to your own, doesn't mean they are less intelligent but labelling them so means you are a whole heap less likely to be able to persuade them of the logic of your own arguments, no matter how correct/sensible/ethical they may be. |
*This*!
Esp your last para, I've been trying to express that point succinctly for years but always failed, so cheers! |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:03 - Apr 9 with 1071 views | borge |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:46 - Apr 9 by Ryorry |
*This*!
Esp your last para, I've been trying to express that point succinctly for years but always failed, so cheers! |
Without now wishing to do the very same thing I am accusing others of (i.e. tarring everyone with a certain attitude/thought process with the same brush), it is just such a stupid thing to do.
I would say I sit very firmly centre ground with most of my own political views, with certain things veering off fairly far to the left and some things somewhat to the right and I understand that there is no black and white answer to everything. The sooner people 'reset' their thinking and realise that persuasion has a greater chance of success than hate, the better.
It pains me to come on here and see people being so entrenched in their views and so vitriolic, not least because when you get them talking about things that aren't political they are clearly very nice and decent people! | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:07 - Apr 9 with 1044 views | chicoazul |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:21 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
No, everyone doesn't have opportunity in this country. Not in any meaningful way. Social mobility in the UK is shocking: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52982440
But if you're cool with kids living in poverty and those kids having significant damage done to their life chances as a result then you do you, mate. It does rather reinforce my initial point though. |
Social mobility is shocking agreed, certainly since the left wing red and blue started closing grammar schools and moving to “comprehensive” education |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:08 - Apr 9 with 1048 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:07 - Apr 9 by chicoazul |
Social mobility is shocking agreed, certainly since the left wing red and blue started closing grammar schools and moving to “comprehensive” education |
Yeah that's definitely what did it.
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:09 - Apr 9 with 1041 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:03 - Apr 9 by borge |
Without now wishing to do the very same thing I am accusing others of (i.e. tarring everyone with a certain attitude/thought process with the same brush), it is just such a stupid thing to do.
I would say I sit very firmly centre ground with most of my own political views, with certain things veering off fairly far to the left and some things somewhat to the right and I understand that there is no black and white answer to everything. The sooner people 'reset' their thinking and realise that persuasion has a greater chance of success than hate, the better.
It pains me to come on here and see people being so entrenched in their views and so vitriolic, not least because when you get them talking about things that aren't political they are clearly very nice and decent people! |
Many of us have tried persuading people that a basic level of empathy and compassion is a good thing. It's proven to be a fruitless task. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:10 - Apr 9 with 1046 views | GlasgowBlue |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 13:27 - Apr 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah. Probably best to avoid tw@tter today. The trolls will be out in full force. |
That said, this was unexpected and rather surreal.
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:10 - Apr 9 with 1028 views | stantheman |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 13:35 - Apr 9 by Ryorry |
There are literally millions of tweets depicting and about millions of very good things by millions of great people on twitter today. It's extremely easy to avoid those feature Prince Philip and trolls - if you want to. |
I have managed to avoid the whole tw@tter thing completely. I do not want to listen to a load of nobodies peddling their thoughts. |  | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:13 - Apr 9 with 1020 views | chicoazul |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:08 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
Yeah that's definitely what did it.
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It’s definitely part of it, probably a large part. Once upon a time St Andrew’s Oxford Cambridge and LSE were full of working class kids from grammars who went on into very well paid jobs in the civil service finance insurance industry teaching and medicine.
As Hannibal Lecter once said; not anymore. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:15 - Apr 9 with 1012 views | BlueWorldOrder |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 14:17 - Apr 9 by Ryorry |
"you are obviously assuming I'm a racist which is poor form."
I didn't assume any such thing, I did in fact think you meant, as you yourself said just now, that "that their voters vote to punish the immigrants".
I just thought your post would be better & clearer without the reference. |
I am sorry, I am not always good at understanding online communication. I am a paid up and active member of the Labour Party. I am not a racist! |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:15 - Apr 9 with 1013 views | chicoazul |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:10 - Apr 9 by GlasgowBlue |
That said, this was unexpected and rather surreal.
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Best check the corpse for pallonium just to be sure. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:20 - Apr 9 with 1003 views | Darth_Koont |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 13:51 - Apr 9 by IP4_Blue |
We are not going to agree!
Unfortunately there will always be poor people and rich people whoever is in government. |
With that attitude, yes.
But having a rich country and yet 4 million kids living in poverty is a choice. A conscious or unconscious choice, but certainly not an inevitability. |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:37 - Apr 9 with 938 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:13 - Apr 9 by chicoazul |
It’s definitely part of it, probably a large part. Once upon a time St Andrew’s Oxford Cambridge and LSE were full of working class kids from grammars who went on into very well paid jobs in the civil service finance insurance industry teaching and medicine.
As Hannibal Lecter once said; not anymore. |
I can't find any evidence to back up those claims. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:46 - Apr 9 with 918 views | borge |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:09 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
Many of us have tried persuading people that a basic level of empathy and compassion is a good thing. It's proven to be a fruitless task. |
I can sense that there are many on here who are tired of trying, but the whole damn world will implode if we all take the line that the only way to get things done is to force others to fall in line with our views. I don't have the answer, but just don't think it is hate/vitriol. | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:57 - Apr 9 with 898 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:46 - Apr 9 by borge |
I can sense that there are many on here who are tired of trying, but the whole damn world will implode if we all take the line that the only way to get things done is to force others to fall in line with our views. I don't have the answer, but just don't think it is hate/vitriol. |
Well I asked this IP4 chap how he reconciles his view that people need to 'do more' to get out of poverty with the reality that our society has millions of jobs that scarcely (if at all) pay a living wage despite being jobs that are very necessary for society to function. If we need people to do these low paid jobs then it's not a solution to say people need to find higher paying jobs. He seems to have ignored that post though.
And generally this is what happens when you try to actually engage people like the poster in question. They go quiet, because they don't really care about the issues at stake and have no real interest in having to challenge their own thinking. It's much easier to trot out soundbites about equality of opportunity and needing to work harder.
It's quite frustrating and when you reach the inevitable conclusion that people like this poster don't really care about people living in poverty then you tend to also conclude they just aren't decent people. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:13 - Apr 9 with 865 views | phillev231069 |
On a personal level I don't give a toss about the Royal family on a daily basis but at the end of the day he was a Husband, Grandfather etc and regardless of who they are they are a family in mourning and deserve some respect at this time, shame people have nothing else to do really! [Post edited 9 Apr 2021 16:15]
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:16 - Apr 9 with 852 views | MJR101 |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:15 - Apr 9 by chicoazul |
Best check the corpse for pallonium just to be sure. |
Sorry, downvoted by mistake | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:19 - Apr 9 with 840 views | IP4_Blue |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 15:57 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
Well I asked this IP4 chap how he reconciles his view that people need to 'do more' to get out of poverty with the reality that our society has millions of jobs that scarcely (if at all) pay a living wage despite being jobs that are very necessary for society to function. If we need people to do these low paid jobs then it's not a solution to say people need to find higher paying jobs. He seems to have ignored that post though.
And generally this is what happens when you try to actually engage people like the poster in question. They go quiet, because they don't really care about the issues at stake and have no real interest in having to challenge their own thinking. It's much easier to trot out soundbites about equality of opportunity and needing to work harder.
It's quite frustrating and when you reach the inevitable conclusion that people like this poster don't really care about people living in poverty then you tend to also conclude they just aren't decent people. |
What is your solution then?
Mate you don't know me i am a decent person, if there is an answer to end poverty i/m all ears but i'm sorry but people on here just attack you because you have a different opinion | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:22 - Apr 9 with 823 views | Herbivore |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:19 - Apr 9 by IP4_Blue |
What is your solution then?
Mate you don't know me i am a decent person, if there is an answer to end poverty i/m all ears but i'm sorry but people on here just attack you because you have a different opinion |
The solution is to vote for political parties that aren't solely interested in preserving the wealth of them and their mates. Vote for parties with more progressive policies that are likely to help eradicate poverty. Don't vote Tory. | |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:24 - Apr 9 with 818 views | IP4_Blue |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:22 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
The solution is to vote for political parties that aren't solely interested in preserving the wealth of them and their mates. Vote for parties with more progressive policies that are likely to help eradicate poverty. Don't vote Tory. |
So if you vote for Labour and Labour get in there will be no poverty?
I am afraid ending poverty is not as simple as who you vote for | | | |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:27 - Apr 9 with 806 views | SpruceMoose |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:24 - Apr 9 by IP4_Blue |
So if you vote for Labour and Labour get in there will be no poverty?
I am afraid ending poverty is not as simple as who you vote for |
Perhaps if you set out why you vote the way you do people might be better placed to see what you're getting at.
What are the Conservative Party doing to reduce the poverty gap in any way, shape or form? To me, it looks like the answer is a very simple 'nothing', but as you vote for them perhaps you have some kind of insight I don't have. |  |
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| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:31 - Apr 9 with 876 views | jeera |
| reading prince Phillip stuff on Twitter on 16:24 - Apr 9 by IP4_Blue |
So if you vote for Labour and Labour get in there will be no poverty?
I am afraid ending poverty is not as simple as who you vote for |
Just to be clear, so not to see you misrepresented here.
You are not suggesting there is no correlation between parties, their policies and poverty are you? |  |
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